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    #242
    [Deleted User]
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    rob316 wrote: »
    I'm always saying it if my wife and I had the chance for a do over she'd of done hairdressing and I'd have done carpentry. Our friends have those professions, and they are ****ing loaded. Paid cash for there house and cars. It's hard work but more people should be looking at practical trades, you get paid good money early and have a high demand skill that is useful anywhere in the world. Most the courses in 3rd level are just letters to add to your name.

    Your also looking at emigration or years with no regular work unless you have enough contacts once there is a crash. Of the apprentices that my dad trained while he was with Crampton in the 70s all but one had to permanently emigrate in the 80s and haven't returned since.


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    #243
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    double jobbing wrote: »
    How many 23 year old literature graduates from UCD will ever get the chance to work in Zurich for 80 euro an hour?

    All you need for that is to apply for junior business analyst or researcher job with Google, in Zurich or elsewhere. I personally know several humanities graduates with similar paths. It's less about the background and more about the will to grab opportunities.


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    #244
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    thenetherrealm wrote: »
    Not really happy, just safe.

    Primary teacher. round 40k a year. No bonuses, very very limited career progression, and can't change fields as both my degrees are aimed at primary education. Wish I could do it all over again, but I will just have to make do at this point.

    Start at 9:30, finished at 3. One of the easiest degrees to get. Home to do the milking in the evening or get the Guard his supper. Gold standard for mortgage security and two months off in the summer to travel or go bailing? How did it go wrong for you?


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    #245
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Danger781 wrote: »
    Where are all these hairdressers on big money? My partner is a hairdresser on pennies.. What is the expected salary of a hairdresser? I would have assumed she would have a pretty low ceiling

    There is no money in hairdressin', its owning a hairdressers that makes money.


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    #246
    double jobbing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    strandroad wrote: »
    All you need for that is to apply for junior business analyst or researcher job with Google, in Zurich or elsewhere. I personally know several humanities graduates with similar paths. It's less about the background and more about the will to grab opportunities.

    The vast majority of people working for the likes of Facebook and Google are on poverty wages.

    Plus, you have to work with the dry arses who get jobs in these places.

    I do see them on their bikes in town. I see how they dress.

    No thanks.


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    #247
    thenetherrealm
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭thenetherrealm


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Start at 9:30, finished at 3. One of the easiest degrees to get. Home to do the milking in the evening or get the Guard his supper. Gold standard for mortgage security and two months off in the summer to travel or go bailing? How did it go wrong for you?

    I'm not here to argue with anyone about the requirements and job responsibilities of a primary teacher. From your tone, you are one of the posters that has an issue with teachers, and I'm not here to debate your prejudices. I only answered the thread questions.

    Everyone wants different things from a job. Some people do enjoy the holidays we get. I would give those up for a job that offered higher pay and/or travel opportunities.


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    #248
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    thenetherrealm wrote: »
    I'm not here to argue with anyone about the requirements and job responsibilities of a primary teacher. From your tone, you are one of the posters that has an issue with teachers, and I'm not here to debate your prejudices. I only answered the thread questions.

    Everyone wants different things from a job. Some people do enjoy the holidays we get. I would give those up for a job that offered higher pay and/or travel opportunities.

    But you knew all that when you applied to MaryI/St Pats. It just seem to you far off fields seem greener. Most teachers I know wouldn't survive in industry and they are both family members and friends.


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    #249
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    double jobbing wrote: »
    The vast majority of people working for the likes of Facebook and Google are on poverty wages.

    Plus, you have to work with the dry arses who get jobs in these places.

    I do see them on their bikes in town. I see how they dress.

    No thanks.

    Yeah I would rather work with people who nick other people's tools, especially the apprentices tools.

    You obviously taken one two many shocks if you think that the majority in Google or Facebook are on poverty wages.


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    #250
    double jobbing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Yeah I would rather work with people who nick other people's tools, especially the apprentices tools.

    You obviously taken one two many shocks if you think that the majority in Google or Facebook are on poverty wages.

    A great deal of Facebook staff are via agencies. A lot of them would be lucky to get 24k.


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    #251
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    double jobbing wrote: »
    A great deal of Facebook staff are via agencies. A lot of them would be lucky to get 24k.

    That's their outsourced ad sales or video reviewers, and it's not 24k either.
    For business or technology roles you're looking at 60k starting, as in junior. And no need to leave the country.


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    #252
    CIP4
    Registered Users Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭CIP4


    double jobbing wrote: »
    How much are you on out of interest?

    I'll never forget a girl telling me her newly graduated brother was on 25k and she thought it was great money compared to herself and anyone else she knew from college.



    That's nearly 50K a year. No small peanuts.

    If you had the opportunity to do nights you could be on 50 quid an hour.

    Sparks also have the opportunity to work for mental money in Scandanavia, Switzerland, Northern Canada, North Sea oil rigs.

    How many 23 year old literature graduates from UCD will ever get the chance to work in Zurich for 80 euro an hour?

    I doubt anyone does literature for the salary. You have to put a certain amount of work into picking an in demand courseS that have good job prospects and are well paid. Any STEM courses, Medicine, Law, Accounting which is a huge choice of courses. You can’t focus on what the graduate will get day 1 out of college it’s more what they will be on after 5 years and rate of wage increase.

    In my own case I did engineering I took a lower paid graduate job to be close to home if I had taken a graduate job in Cork or Dublin I would of started on 40-45k. But I started on 30k I am 4 years now working for the same company on over double what I started on plus a decent employer contributed pension and Annual bonus of 15%. I could get more if I moved to Cork, Dublin etc or indeed abroad I could get far more but have no interest at the moment.

    Don’t get me wrong I am not knocking apprenticeships for a second as I was very interest in becoming an electrician or mechanic and think I would of enjoyed it a lot. As for going abroad virtually anyone could get a well paid job abroad if they went to the right place. I don’t know of any poorly paid people on oil rigs but that is because there are certain risks being taken with being on one and unfavourable working shift patterns etc. So I don’t think it would be fair to be quoting them hourly as what electrician can earn.

    There are huge opportunities to earn big in the construction industry I know this from having close family work in construction. But the boom bust cycles make it very inconsistent and undependable.


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    #253
    CBear1993
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭CBear1993


    double jobbing wrote: »
    100 percent.

    Mate of mine worked in the mines in Australia for about 3 years on and off, bought a house in Meath outright from his savings. Doesn't even work full time per say, dips in and out of agency work for a few months whenever he feels like it, works in Norway and Switzerland for a few months the odd time, then him and the wife go travelling through Afirca and South America for a few weeks.

    He never even sat his junior cert,

    Yeah but those 2/3 years in the mine are hell. And you can’t tell me any different. Have you ever stepped near one of them?

    All sounds rosy, but when you commit to a job in Europe at one of these data centres your rotation is maybe 3 weeks out there and one back in Ireland. You can be damn sure those 3 weeks out there you’ll be doing minimum 12 hour shifts in the office or site . Or if you fly more frequently the airports are a pain in the hole


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    #254
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    double jobbing wrote: »
    Pfft. I wouldn't advise my son to do anything bar construction, unless he has a serious ambition to do something in medicine, law, science etc.

    How many 27 year old graduates working in an office are on 60K do you?
    .

    2 things about that 60k though

    1. It's boom - bust. I luckily graduated into the Tiger and got similar after 4 years. Those who graduated in 2009 could be on half that after 4 years

    2. There is a ceiling at 60k. Basically 60k or thereabouts are the wages a company expects to pay for a site manager or a consultant will pay for their equivalent. You could stay on that 60k for 10 years!

    Got to wriggle and jump to move to another level.
    Many will be stuck there indefinitely.

    Again to me anyway, it's more the bull**** involved in the industry.


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    #255
    White_hills
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭White_hills


    Work in IT on projects, most weeks are 60 hours long and very stressful. Dropped out of my computing degree and started work in a call centre on 21k at the height of the recession. Spent 8 years working my way up along in one company getting more and more specialised, jumped ship last year to new role in a different company.

    My confidence was very low after leaving college, I genuinely felt useless and stupid so happy from a personal point of view to have gotten to the level I'm at by 31 without a degree but I have done certifications.

    I thought I was doing well on 45k and a good pension by just working my way up but after reading the journal's 'how I spend my money' columns I feel like I'm at nothing. Lots of my friends are in big money DEV and PM roles so I'll know I'll get left behind if I don't get a proper qualification so going to see if I can get onto Springboard with prior learning.

    Once I've a house bought and a nest egg it's straight into a less demanding role!!


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    #256
    CBear1993
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭CBear1993


    double jobbing wrote: »
    A great deal of Facebook staff are via agencies. A lot of them would be lucky to get 24k.

    Your man is in the clouds here. It’s very clear you’re and education begrudger and love to see the trades lads doing better than anyone from education.

    We’ll see where all the lads go now when we’re staring down the barrel of another post Celtic tiger recession. They’ll be all in Oz New Zealand and Canada again.

    I think you’re very naive about what other people earn. Plenty of insurance, tech, startups, etc make more in a couple of years than a trades person will ever make.

    I work in construction but I work closely with the lads on site despite being in the site office. As much as I dislike my role I wouldn’t swap with them to be out in the cold of winter any day of the week. I waltz in at 8:30 and leave at 5/5:30 and they’ve maybe a concrete pour on. Lads I know doing 85-90 hour weeks because they’re being slave driven. And they’re on a salary too as foremen and project managers, not a penny for overtime.

    There’s another thread on here at the minute about construction industry and general and it sums it up to a tee. I would advise against any young person going into it , stay well away unless you really love your trade.


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    #257
    vikings2012
    Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭vikings2012


    I don’t believe you can compare one job to another. It’s down to the individual.

    You get rewarded for your skills/experience in an office job.

    You get rewarded for you skill and hard graft on a construction site.

    Plenty of construction workers are on average money, have no job satisfaction and cannot easily change over to another field.

    Similarly plenty of trainee solicitors/accountants on terrible money starting out and end up to be terrible accountants/solicitors - these individuals will not reap the rewards of high salaries.

    If you are a harder worker who is motivated to succeed and has the aptitude to master a particular skill you will be sufficiently remunerated.


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    #258
    little bess
    Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭little bess


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Start at 9:30, finished at 3. One of the easiest degrees to get. Home to do the milking in the evening or get the Guard his supper

    What century are you living in??


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    #259
    thenetherrealm
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭thenetherrealm


    little bess wrote: »
    What century are you living in??

    Don't. Feed. The. Troll.


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    Fluffy101
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Fluffy101


    CBear1993 wrote: »
    Yeah but those 2/3 years in the mine are hell. And you can’t tell me any different. Have you ever stepped near one of them?

    All sounds rosy, but when you commit to a job in Europe at one of these data centres your rotation is maybe 3 weeks out there and one back in Ireland. You can be damn sure those 3 weeks out there you’ll be doing minimum 12 hour shifts in the office or site . Or if you fly more frequently the airports are a pain in the hole

    I know a fair few lads out in Sweden. They work on rotation as you say so 3 weeks on , 1 off. 8 to 6 Monday to Thursday and 4 hours Friday and Saturday.

    Making a mint over there as everything is paid for- accommodation, food, travel and get a tax free weekly allowance etc.

    If you have no ties and want to work abroad for a bit it suits some people.


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    Fluffy101
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Fluffy101


    Wildly Boaring wrote: »
    2 things about that 60k though

    1. It's boom - bust. I luckily graduated into the Tiger and got similar after 4 years. Those who graduated in 2009 could be on half that after 4 years

    2. There is a ceiling at 60k. Basically 60k or thereabouts are the wages a company expects to pay for a site manager or a consultant will pay for their equivalent. You could stay on that 60k for 10 years!

    Got to wriggle and jump to move to another level.
    Many will be stuck there indefinitely.

    Again to me anyway, it's more the bull**** involved in the industry.

    Agreed, easy to get to that salary in construction early in your career but getting any higher not so much.

    You can work your way up but more often the slight increase in salary isn't worth the added responsibilities/ headache!


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    #262
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    thenetherrealm wrote: »
    I would give those up for a job that offered higher pay and/or travel opportunities.

    No you would not. If you did, you would have done it already and not be prodding it like a lazy dog by the fire. You have it too good to change. If you lost your job, pension and infrastructure, only then would you seriously think about making any move. For the moment you are the lazy dog by the fire and it is easier to take the odd poking than it is to actually change your career.

    Imagine if keep up with the learning pace of an accountant Lawyer, engineer or IT engineer? Where you are tested on a new course every two years? You couldnt keep up with that because if you did you would have chanced. You are just someone who settled for mediocre and has buyer regret now.


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    #263
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    little bess wrote: »
    What century are you living in??

    21st. where I see a failed nursing student and bank staff (pretty office furniture) rising to a national school vice principal because her father could write cheques. This is what is wrong with education.

    State pension, retire at 60, permanent contract, pillar of the community, garunteed increments, two months summer holidays.


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    Salty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Salty


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    21st. where I see a failed nursing student and bank staff (pretty office furniture) rising to a national school vice principal because her father could write cheques. This is what is wrong with education.

    State pension, retire at 60, permanent contract, pillar of the community, garunteed increments, two months summer holidays.

    If you think teachers have it so good/easy, why didn't you go down that route yourself?


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    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Salty wrote: »
    If you think teachers have it so good/easy, why didn't you go down that route yourself?

    Because I chose the harder road less travelled. I chose the harder degree, I wanted more, I didnt settle early for the easier path. I dont subscribe to teachers who teach the state narrative. Oh I have been to university and ITs but it is hard to accept the teaching on life from someone who only done a few interviews in their life and just slotted into a role of authority. I have never seen a teacher struggle.

    But a very very fair point. I wanted more.


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    Salty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Salty


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Because I chose the harder road less travelled. I chose the harder degree, I wanted more, I didnt settle early for the easier path. I dont subscribe to teachers who teach the state narrative. Oh I have been to university and ITs but it is hard to accept the teaching on life from someone who only done a few interviews in their life and just slotted into a role of authority. I have never seen a teacher struggle.

    But a very very fair point. I wanted more.

    Fair enough, it wasn't for you. I'm not a teacher myself either - I wanted a more specialised role in child development that involved some particular interests and academic strengths I had. However, I wouldn't be so quick to label degrees "harder" than others. You can't know how difficult a given degree is if you haven't completed it yourself. I have lots of family and friends who are teachers, and the placement aspects of the courses alone looked absolutely horrific. One of my cousins started to lose her hair from the stress of it! I would argue that any "teaching on life" should primarily come from parents, not teachers.

    None of us should be looking at someone else's career or university choices and criticising them. We should instead be focusing on the choices we made and focus on that instead.


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    #267
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Salty wrote: »
    None of us should be looking at someone else's career or university choices and criticising them. We should instead be focusing on the choices we made and focus on that instead.

    Its kind of hard to take someone seriously who says it limits my career options or it wasn't what I expected, when you spent the last 14 years in a school and being taught by teachers. That is also pure laziness that they cannot change career, I once had lecturer who was a secondary school who was my course director at college. Everyone of my friends have to retrain and keep up their qualifications and have changed jobs at one time or other. Exception being the spoon whittler.


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    #268
    CBear1993
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭CBear1993


    Lived with 2 school teachers in castleknock in Dublin for a while when I first moved there a few years ago.

    Never seen two men less stressed in my life. Both in mid 30s and single, taught in reputable primary schools nearby .

    Walked to work each morning, back home by 2/3 and went to bed for an hour. Meanwhile I was out at site office at 8 and would hopefully finish at 6pm, which wasn’t always the case.

    I never saw them mark a book or anything in my life at the weekends or evenings.

    Some life . Just to add they also both bought their own houses in Dublin last year too.


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    Salty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Salty


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Its kind of hard to take someone seriously who says it limits my career options or it wasn't what I expected, when you spent the last 14 years in a school and being taught by teachers. That is also pure laziness that they cannot change career, I once had lecturer who was a secondary school who was my course director at college. Everyone of my friends have to retrain and keep up their qualifications and have changed jobs at one time or other. Exception being the spoon whittler.

    Pure laziness would have been not bothering to educate themselves at all in any field.

    Look, not going to continue this as you clearly have some hang up around teachers and you won't be convinced otherwise. And your comment above is quite personal to the poster who shared the fact that they are unhappy with their career choice. Sad that someone would disparage them when they are just being honest. This has been a great thread with some really good information in it from a variety of professions; can we not go down the teacher-bashing route.


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    #270
    onrail
    Registered Users Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭onrail


    CBear1993 wrote: »
    Lived with 2 school teachers in castleknock in Dublin for a while when I first moved there a few years ago.

    Never seen two men less stressed in my life. Both in mid 30s and single, taught in reputable primary schools nearby .

    Walked to work each morning, back home by 2/3 and went to bed for an hour. Meanwhile I was out at site office at 8 and would hopefully finish at 6pm, which wasn’t always the case.

    I never saw them mark a book or anything in my life at the weekends or evenings.

    Some life . Just to add they also both bought their own houses in Dublin last year too.

    My experience with the primary teachers I know you also. In saying that, I couldn’t do their job.

    If you’re made for primary teaching, it has the best conditions in the world imo.


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    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    onrail wrote: »
    My experience with the primary teachers I know you also. In saying that, I couldn’t do their job.

    If you’re made for primary teaching, it had the best conditions in the world imo.

    True that, I couldn't do teaching, don't have the personality for it. It's not an easy profession by an means.

    Work in IT, don't think I'd be be able to work in any other field, maybe Digital media that would be about it.


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