Anti-vaxxers

waxmoth wrote: »

Tamiflu/oseltamivir is a very good example of regulatory failure and how an ineffective drug can gain widespread acceptance (including WHO approval). When the full clinical data was eventually procured the producers claims were found not to be upheld. The reduction in duration of symptoms in adults is ~16hrs (from 7 to 6.3 days) and there are significant side effects.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD008965.pub4/media/CDSR/CD008965/CD008965.pdf

If this is true then why is Tamiflu still on the market and being prescribed by doctors. Governments have stockpiles of this and when the next flu pandemic hits there will be massive demand for this.

If the clinical data was found to be not reliable then this means that all the pharma regulatory bodies worldwide are corrupt, in that they are allowing a known ineffective drug to remain on the market. Is this realistic?

Ipso wrote: »

Robert de Niro is a high profile anti vaxxer .....

Aw maaaan. I used to like DeNiro..... Dammit

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

In fairness, B nobody can be an expert on everything. Or even one thing based on how every aspect of society seems to be getting ever more complex. It's this idea that scientists and doctors are in cahoots with big Pharma, whatever that is, and that the biggest morons and scam artists are the only ones talking sense that I don't understand.

The cynic in me reckons Biel is just looking for attention. She's not even a C-lister any more.

Rich people , especially in entertainment, often feel they have to put their name to something noble. Some of them have the smarts to do so very well but many just have instant recognition, well-followed social media accounts and a sense that they should be heard.

Ipso wrote: »

I'll take a wild guess that she is also a fan of wellness and treating the whole person.

Doesn't eat dairy or gluten and does yoga. Most of her other charitable work is non-controversial.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It seems she isnt actually anti-vax after all. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jun/13/jessica-biel-joins-campaign-against-vaccination-law

Her opposition to the bill is due to a restriction on medical exemptions it would oppose.

From that article - She declined to vaccinate her son in 2015, so at best she seems to favour uninformed choice. Optics of supporting an anti-vaxxer not exactly good.

Big study showing linkage between genetics and autism, analyzed here: https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/genetics-cause-autism-study-vaccines/

”the current study results provide the strongest evidence to our knowledge to date that the majority of risk for autism spectrum disorders is from genetic factors,” said a team led by Sven Sandin, an epidemiological researcher at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden."

Woman that contracted measles on flight from NYC->Israel has died. Anti-vax gift keeps giving

https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-flight-attendant-dies-4-months-after-contracting-measles-on-plane-from-ny/

1022 cases up to June, 2019. All-time highest since eradication in 2000.

mikeecho wrote: »

I know a few anti vaxers, the same few have views on Monsanto /coca cola etc

A few of them have what I consider poor levels of education, ie home schooled (their parents were hippies)

The others. ... I honestly believe that they have either mental deficiencies or are easily lead by the fantastic.

yep, its those new age hippy types that are spearheading this lunacy, they've got it in for 5g as well...they're convinced its all mind control:rolleyes:

Ecce No Homo wrote: »

If all the other children are vaccinated then how are you putting them at risk by letting your unvaccinated child go to the same school? Isn't the whole point of vaccines that they vaccinate the child from an illness?

Some children cannot receive vaccination due to other medical conditions. vaccines are not 100% efficacious. If you have too many unvaccinated children then chances of an outbreak massively increase.

Ecce No Homo wrote: »

If all the other children are vaccinated then how are you putting them at risk by letting your unvaccinated child go to the same school? Isn't the whole point of vaccines that they vaccinate the child from an illness?

The efficacy of vaccines varies from person to person. For example vaccines give me limited and short term protection of Hep B, My wife for some reason despite multiple inoculations has no resistance to measles.

Neither of us knew that until we have to get tested for work related issues.

Plus not all children CAN be vaccinated.. Some children has immune issues or other health issues that means they cannot be vaccinated.

To eliminate pathogens (like we achieved with Smallpox and to a lesser extent polio) you need to achieve herd immunity so the virus no longer can maintain a reservoir within the population. Once you achieve that they the need for vaccination is eliminated..

Igotadose wrote: »

Anti-vaxxers staying classy as always. Throwing menstrual cups of blood at the California Senate as it debates new regs to prevent bogus medical exemptions. Violence is an anti-vaxxer thing it seems.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/anti-vaccine-protester-menstrual-cup-blood-california-senate.html

This is for the dead babies!!! Crazy. On an unrelated matter it said they went until they had all work done and then adjourned for the year!!!!

CramCycle wrote: »

Thanks for the links. :rolleyes:

There you go

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not a class action. because we dont have those in ireland.

OK, not a class action but very similar! Having read more about it, it is a "test case". The outcome of that case will mostly determine the outcome of the following cases? Apparently they are almost certain to win the case. Is it the gov or gsk that will have to pay though? Both are being sued.