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Notre Dame fire conspiracies

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    #32
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Wayne Gorsky wrote: »
    I have seen many roofs on fire over the years, and that’s definitely not how you do it…

    Were those pure wooden roofs reaching from 40 to 90 meters above ground and surrounded by large stone structures restricting access around them?

    If yes may I ask which buildings we are talking about?


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    #33
    Wayne Gorsky
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭Wayne Gorsky


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    But the point still holds. Have they carried out a full forensic investigation already?? They were certainly quicker coming to that conclusion than they were actually getting to the fire!

    Yeah, let’s wait and see what else comes to light…though any evidence for any cause may well have gone up in smoke…


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    #34
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I have no proof

    But I am suspicious.


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    #35
    Wayne Gorsky
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭Wayne Gorsky


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Were those pure wooden roofs reaching from 40 to 90 meters above ground and surrounded by large stone structures restricting access around them?

    If yes may I ask which buildings we are talking about?

    Sure, access is restricted, true, still think a couple of 70m or so fire ladders would have helped, especially compared to what could be seen in the live footage…the main bell towers at Notre Dame are 69 m tall, the main roof above the nave merely some 40m, and we’re not talking about the top of that spire here…basically, with a proper plan in place, and had the fire brigade arrived quicker, i.e. within 15 or so minutes, and with the proper equipment, I feel a lot could have been prevented…also, I have read about the first alarm being ignored, not sure what the story is with that…


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    #36
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tbh I can see why some may have their suspicions following this

    This just 5 days ago ...
    https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/

    Afaik theres been two prior attempted attacks in the vicinity of the church ...

    That said the building work is the most likely culprit. On the news tonight they were detailing that they were starting to interview the workers


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    #37
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    I predict we will see copycat arsons of historical religious monuments in Europe.
    Remember when it's happens as least admit not all conspiracies are tin foil hat jobs


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    #38
    CosmicFool
    Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭CosmicFool


    There's conspiracies for everything these days. Could it not just be that it went up on fire because it was an actual accident?


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    #39
    Ipso
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    I predict we will see copycat arsons of historical religious monuments in Europe.
    Remember when it's happens as least admit not all conspiracies are tin foil hat jobs

    What does this indicate? Then there’s the attacks betwixt taigery and proddery over the last while. Of course there was the defacement of monuments in The Hill of Tara recently.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-looking-bias-motivation-after-suspect-arrested-louisiana-church-burnings-n993456


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    #40
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    CosmicFool wrote: »
    There's conspiracies for everything these days. Could it not just be that it went up on fire because it was an actual accident?

    That’s sheeple talk.


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    #41
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Wayne Gorsky wrote: »
    Sure, access is restricted, true, still think a couple of 70m or so fire ladders would have helped, especially compared to what could be seen in the live footage…the main bell towers at Notre Dame are 69 m tall, the main roof above the nave merely some 40m, and we’re not talking about the top of that spire here…basically, with a proper plan in place, and had the fire brigade arrived quicker, i.e. within 15 or so minutes, and with the proper equipment, I feel a lot could have been prevented…also, I have read about the first alarm being ignored, not sure what the story is with that…

    You're a firefighter?


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    #42
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,405 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Wayne Gorsky wrote: »
    Well, there are fire ladders on the market that could easily reach high enough for anything at Notre Dame, and you’d think a city like Paris would have some sort of contingency plan (and the equipment) in place for an emergency at one of its (and the world’s) main icons (also because, as opposed to liberty hall, it would be a loss)…
    oh, and, as some around here seem to be experts in putting out cathedral fires, what should they have done? Fact is, there was no major effort made to put out the fire on the roof at all…two or three hoses were never going to cut it…and yes, they probably arrived too late anyway, which poses its own set of questions…

    Yes i know this on is the UK
    The tallest aerial platform used in the operation at the north Kensington block was borrowed from Surrey Fire and Rescue Service.

    Reaching up to 42m (138ft) in height, the fire truck, which is based in Leatherhead, is the tallest in the country.

    Yet it was unable to reach the top floors of the 24-storey Grenfell Tower, which stands at nearly 70m     (230ft).



    Notre Dame
    took until 1345 before the cathedral was completed, partly because the design was enlarged during construction. The result is an overwhelming building, 128 meters long (420 ft) with two 69 meter tall towers (226 ft). 


    These are massive units, not one in every fire station and certainly not something you have sitting around.


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    #43
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,405 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    I predict we will see copycat arsons of historical religious monuments in Europe.
    Remember when it's happens as least admit not all conspiracies are tin foil hat jobs

    Are you still posting this sh/te?


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    #44
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    This a conspiracy theory thread so I'm entitled to my opinion.
    Also just watched bbc news report, something fishy about the whole thing


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    #45
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Thank God they saved the crown of thorns.
    This was worn by Jesus


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    #46
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Can I be the only one concerned for the fate of the picture of ze fallen Madonna wiv ze big boobies?


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    #47
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    Thank God they saved the crown of thorns.
    This was worn by Jesus

    Shame that some people will believe anything an authority figure tells them, innit. ;)

    Life ain't always empty.



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    #48
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Can I be the only one concerned for the fate of the picture of ze fallen Madonna wiv ze big boobies?

    The Germans have it - you need to ask Merkel....


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    #49
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    This a conspiracy theory thread so I'm entitled to my opinion.
    Also just watched bbc news report, something fishy about the whole thing

    There's a group of people who meet on the internet to claim this after every significant event, they are called conspiracy theorists


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    #50
    The Nal
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    Charles Ingles wrote: »
    This a conspiracy theory thread so I'm entitled to my opinion.
    Also just watched bbc news report, something fishy about the whole thing

    Whats fishy about it exactly?


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    #51
    EICVD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭EICVD


    DJIMI TRARORE wrote: »
    It was either Muslims, Travellers or those naughty Prods:):):)

    Wrong! Was all 3 working together


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    #52
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    It was all about Brexit, now the EU can add more to the UKs exit bill as a share of the reconstruction costs plus add a whip round for any other public buildings they want to upgrade and makes the Brexit less likely


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    #53
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,153 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: Please don't dispute mod warnings on thread. I've deleted it in any case.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #54
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Al Aqsa Mosque went on fire at the same time as Notre Dame...

    https://www.thejournal.ie/jerusalem-mosque-fire-4593650-Apr2019/

    Apparently it was started by children...

    Has anyone questioned the children of Paris?!?!?


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    #55
    Wayne Gorsky
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭Wayne Gorsky


    Likely as an accident may seem, the question really has to be how the authorities and media could possibly be content with “Oops” as an explanation for the disaster at this point, not least in the light of all those other catholic churches in France being put to the torch and defiled lately…questions absolutely have to be asked, and speculating is entirely legitimate at this early stage…those who ridicule and stifle an open discussion make themselves part of a mainstream conspiracy and thus part of the overall problem in this world…


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    #56
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,405 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Wayne Gorsky wrote: »
    Likely as an accident may seem, the question really has to be how the authorities and media could possibly be content with “Oops” as an explanation for the disaster at this point, not least in the light of all those other catholic churches in France being put to the torch and defiled lately…questions absolutely have to be asked, and speculating is entirely legitimate at this early stage…those who ridicule and stifle an open discussion make themselves part of a mainstream conspiracy and thus part of the overall problem in this world…

    The French could tomorrow show definitive proof that this was an accident, they could showw cctv footage of the fire starting, they could bring 10 witnessess forward to corroborate the cctv footage and you will still have people say

    A. Cctv footage is fake.
    B. Witnessess are actirs paid to lie.

    Conspiracy theorists gonna conspire no matyer what.


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    #57
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Wayne Gorsky wrote: »
    the question really has to be how the authorities and media could possibly be content with “Oops” as an explanation for the disaster at this point

    They aren't, which is why a team of 50 investigators is working on finding the exact causes. They have specified that as of yet there are no indications of foul play
    those who ridicule and stifle an open discussion make themselves part of a mainstream conspiracy and thus part of the overall problem in this world…

    A bunch of ignorant/paranoid people on the internet with next to no knowledge of the situation, spreading baseless rumours and coming up with conspiracies for fun are not adding anything but disinformation and falsehoods


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    #58
    Cheerful Spring
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    If this was ISIS they would have come out and said so. I think it was an accident personally. If it was done deliberate, then their investigation team has not found the evidence.


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    #59
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    The French could tomorrow show definitive proof that this was an accident, they could showw cctv footage of the fire starting, they could bring 10 witnessess forward to corroborate the cctv footage and you will still have people say

    A. Cctv footage is fake.
    B. Witnessess are actirs paid to lie.

    Conspiracy theorists gonna conspire no matyer what.

    Similarly though if you had difinitive proof muslims did it for jihadist reasons and they had come in to the country claiming asylum from syria, you'd still have some politician on (even though nobody asked) calling for open borders and saying that it was justified revenge for something the brits did to africa hundreds of years ago.

    Cant have anything these days without somebody thinking its a government coverup, or somebody in the government trying to cover it up / downplay it.


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    #60
    Wayne Gorsky
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭Wayne Gorsky


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    The French could tomorrow show definitive proof that this was an accident, they could showw cctv footage of the fire starting, they could bring 10 witnessess forward to corroborate the cctv footage and you will still have people say

    A. Cctv footage is fake.
    B. Witnessess are actirs paid to lie.

    Conspiracy theorists gonna conspire no matyer what.

    Sure, but we don't have any such proof, and cctv would not prove anything re arson or not anyway, yet we have every reason to be suspicious, as I said not least in the light of recent events in France...


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    #61
    Hoboo
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Conspiracy theorists gonna conspire no matyer what.

    Conspiracy theorists don't conspire!!....they theorise that others have conspired to perform a certain act or acts.


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