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how do you solve the charging network problem

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  • #32
    Stealthirl
    Registered Users Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    Why not just start with a 2nd DC charger at busy locations and work from there.


  • #33
    Dont be at yourself
    Registered Users Posts: 10,571 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Banks of fast chargers should be every 50km along the motorway network. Combined with home charging, this will meet the needs of 90% of the population.

    For those without home charging, we should mandate that any multi-story car park, shopping centre, hotel, retail park, large employer etc hAve a certain amount of slow chargers. This can accommodate those who don't have access to a home charger.

    Of course, the biggest shift has to be in people's willingness to pay for charging. Too many people baulking at paying even a few quid to charge, but we need to create conditions that will appeal to private operators.


  • #34
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,008 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    A quick Google suggests...

    "The primary and secondary road network in Ireland is some 5,306km long and is made up of motorways, dual carriageways and single lane roads"

    So how much would it cost to put a fast charging station every 100km? Not just the motorways, all national roads too.

    You'd only need 53 of them, minus the 9 current/scheduled Ionity. Maybe they cost half a million each. So that's 22m euros.

    How much does the government plan to spend on EV incentives as sales increase?

    Why not scrap the grants and rebates and spend the money on fast charging procurement/grants?

    It would save EV buyers a fortune, more than offsetting the loss, as they wouldn't need to buy the most expensive long range cars.

    And it would be more environmentally friendly as it would require less battery production.

    I'm sure this is not an original thought.


  • #35
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,318 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Stealthirl wrote: »
    Why not just start with a 2nd DC charger at busy locations and work from there.
    This is the best and simplest idea.


  • #36
    zg3409
    Registered Users Posts: 6,548 ✭✭✭zg3409


    ELM327 wrote: »
    This is the best and simplest idea.

    You need multiple next to each other at busy spots and to allow for one charger single point of failure. So 2 minimum probably more than one per 100km in Dublin!

    If you put them at intersections of national routes, then you could minimise the number of individual sites. If we assumed all cars could make 160km, the sums might make interesting reading. I heard one fast charger is around 60,000 all in including construction works. Put them next to power lines for access to power and the chipper vans would appear to serve the needy. If we dropped grant for car and rely on UK imports and UK grant then the money could be put into chargers.


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  • #37
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,318 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    One would suggest the grant could be dropped with no impact on price to the end user.


  • #38
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,008 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    zg3409 wrote: »
    You need multiple next to each other at busy spots and to allow for one charger single point of failure. So 2 minimum probably more than one per 100km in Dublin!
    I meant one site per 100km, not one charger.

    But I see that one site per 50km would probably work better in cases where you're doing a round trip.

    Doing 90km in one direction and 90km back again plus a bit of driving around would stretch a fair few "cheap" EVs.

    Talking of the UK, it is really amazing how crap their fast charger provision is. This is everything of 100kW and over according to ZapMap, excluding Tesla.

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  • #39
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Just heard today County Councils are starting to impose conditions on commercial planning applications that a “minimum 10% of parking spaces provided shall be provided with electrical connection points to allow for functional electric vehicle charging” and “the remaining spaces shall be fitted with ducting for electrical connection points to allow for future fit out of charging points”

    Wonder how this will work, will they be charging for use of them to deter all day hoggers or have 30mins free then charge?

    Only thing though, it just says to provide connection points and not actual chargers.


  • #40
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,066 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Just heard today County Councils are starting to impose conditions on commercial planning applications that a “minimum 10% of parking spaces provided shall be provided with electrical connection points to allow for functional electric vehicle charging”...


    Only thing though, it just says to provide connection points and not actual chargers.

    I think that is clear enough. It says functional EV charging so it includes a live connection. They might just allow 3 pin socket but it has to allow you to charge an EV.
    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Wonder how this will work, will they be charging for use of them to deter all day hoggers or have 30mins free then charge?

    Its just a planning stipulation. The council wont have control over the management and use of the charge points. That will be up to the individual premise owners to decide.


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