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30-08-2019, 23:03 | #48 | |
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But that’s not how the burden of proof works. If you say there are gods then it’s on you to provide sufficient evidence. I’m sure you know that’s how it works. |
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30-08-2019, 23:27 | #50 | |
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In the context of the post I responded to?
Absolutely. If a person in the modern era were never exposed to the idea of a divine creator, but were aware of the complexity of the universe, and of the trajectory of the course of knowledge and discovery that led to current understanding of that complexity, the idea of the existence, let alone a necessity for god(s), would at best seem twee and pointless. Quote:
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30-08-2019, 23:44 | #52 | |
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30-08-2019, 23:55 | #54 | |
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So the boom about Jesus, points towards Jesus? That’s as relevant to the conversation as the fact that the book about Muhammad and allah, points towards Muhammad and allah. And the book about the lord of the rings points to Frodo. I’ll just wait for the evidence and see where it leads. No evidence, no need to pretend there are gods. It’s a simple system. |
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31-08-2019, 01:28 | #55 | |
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Where's your proof? |
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31-08-2019, 06:54 | #56 |
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What’s my alternative to what? My alternative to making up explanations for things I don’t understand is to try to find out the actual explanations.
I don’t make the claim that god/gods exist so I don’t really need to provide evidence of their existence. Do you claim god/gods exist? |
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31-08-2019, 06:59 | #57 | |
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In case you didn't..... You don't believe in a Creator. So how did everything get here? |
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31-08-2019, 07:13 | #58 | |
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How did everything get here? I don’t know. I don’t claim to know everything. I’m ok with the fact that I don’t know everything. Lack of evidence to make a claim to knowledge at the moment so I don’t make a claim. How do you think did “everything get here”? |
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31-08-2019, 08:53 | #59 |
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[quote=Capt'n Midnight;111110758]There's plenty of wiggle room in quantum mechanics
The anthropic principle could be viewed as - the universe only exists because we are here to observe it. - the universe appears fine tuned for life because if it wasn't we couldn't be here to see it. Ok so if there wasn’t a Big Bang (according to quantum science) And it wasn’t created in just 7 short days by the god in the Christian holy bible. There is always room for a coincidental existence, that being that all the building blocks of life just happened to be here on earth in the right place at the right time billions of years ago. Except for, as any good police investigator will tell you. There is no such thing as coincidence, but and yet, in our case (our solar system, earth itself, evolution of human kind etc) there has been so many. 1st) We mastered fire and learnt how to burn things 2nd) We learnt by burning things we could also cook meat and make it a lot more tasty, and most importantly boil water. Fast forward >>>>>>> 3rd) We learnt the steam made by boiling water could be pressurized which could be used in fact to make enormous things move. 4th) We learnt also by using the same technique we could create huge amounts of electricity 5th) We learnt by burning fossil fuels we cause pollution. 6th) First nuclear bomb goes off 7th) We learnt we could use nuclear power to boil water, make steam and create electric. 8th) We begin pegging back on our air polluting ways 9th) Solar panels and wind turbines come into effect. 10) Creating new tech all the time, that’s better and cleaner for the environment, attempting to repair the damage previous human steps had made through 1 to 10. By using coal and fossil fuels, we accelerated the expansion of trade, business, infrastructure, social interactions, and most importantly, our own knowledge and technology. Although we caused a lot of damage by doing that, if we hadn't we would still be riding horses to work at the bread mill. Also thanks to our advancement, we are now inventing new green tech, which is something we could have only ever done by burning the fossil fuel in the first place. |
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31-08-2019, 10:24 | #60 | |
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But for most of history metal processing was done with wood charcoal. Coal was only used when they figured out how to make coke from it. As for no such thing as coincidence ? Convergent evolution would suggest otherwise. Same with technology. Lots of people came up with similar inventions at the same time. Similar conditions often result in somewhat similar solutions. |
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