[abff]

Originally Posted by one world order

Science has been unable to disprove the existence of a creator

No, but common sense does.

[one world order]

Originally Posted by abff

No, but common sense does.

As in your own personal suppression of the existence of God?

[El_Duderino 09]

Originally Posted by one world order

Science has been unable to disprove the existence of a creator and the more science has been evolving the more it points to the existence of the spiritual world.

I believe in one God and that he sent his only son into this world for forgiveness of our sins. So when you take your last breath in this world and your spirit leaves your body, will you still be asking for testable evidence on your day of judgement?

Is it sciences job to disprove gods before gods provide evidence of themselves. Until then is it fair to consider it anything more than fantasy? By failing to disprove gods, they’re in the same category as everything else that can’t be tested; fairies, goblins, unicorns etc. Now if here were testable evidence of gods and the evidence failed to be disproved, then you’d be on to something.

But that’s not how the burden of proof works. If you say there are gods then it’s on you to provide sufficient evidence. I’m sure you know that’s how it works.

[abff]

Originally Posted by one world order

As in your own personal suppression of the existence of God?

I can't suppress something that doesn't exist.

[endacl]

Originally Posted by Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

You can't really be this naive.

In the context of the post I responded to?

Absolutely. If a person in the modern era were never exposed to the idea of a divine creator, but were aware of the complexity of the universe, and of the trajectory of the course of knowledge and discovery that led to current understanding of that complexity, the idea of the existence, let alone a necessity for god(s), would at best seem twee and pointless.

Originally Posted by Midster

Actually you couldn’t be more wrong, somebody in the very earliest part of human history began worship.

Which made perfect sense. In the very earliest part of human history.

[one world order]

Originally Posted by abff

I can't suppress something that doesn't exist.

You just have

[one world order]

Originally Posted by El_Duderino 09

Is it sciences job to disprove gods before gods provide evidence of themselves. Until then is it fair to consider it anything more than fantasy? By failing to disprove gods, they’re in the same category as everything else that can’t be tested; fairies, goblins, unicorns etc. Now if here were testable evidence of gods and the evidence failed to be disproved, then you’d be on to something.

But that’s not how the burden of proof works. If you say there are gods then it’s on you to provide sufficient evidence. I’m sure you know that’s how it works.

It has already been proven Jesus Christ existed, will you choose to reject that as well? If you look at the bible, it had 40 different authors between the Old and New Testament and it all points towards Christ. It has a chapter on the book of revelations and unfortunately it appears to be accurate when you look at the direction the world is heading in today. There is so much evidence all around you that you choose to reject, instead waiting for some scientist to tell you that God has existed all along, which will be too late for your soul.

[MonkieSocks]

Originally Posted by NIMAN

Alternate universes have been discovered?

First I heard.

You had to be there... man............it was kinda like.............ya know.................

[El_Duderino 09]

Originally Posted by one world order

It has already been proven Jesus Christ existed, will you choose to reject that as well? If you look at the bible, it had 40 different authors between the Old and New Testament and it all points towards Christ. It has a chapter on the book of revelations and unfortunately it appears to be accurate when you look at the direction the world is heading in today. There is so much evidence all around you that you choose to reject, instead waiting for some scientist to tell you that God has existed all along, which will be too late for your soul.

Jesus existence has been proven now has it? That’s news to me.

So the boom about Jesus, points towards Jesus? That’s as relevant to the conversation as the fact that the book about Muhammad and allah, points towards Muhammad and allah. And the book about the lord of the rings points to Frodo.

I’ll just wait for the evidence and see where it leads. No evidence, no need to pretend there are gods. It’s a simple system.

[tatranska]

Originally Posted by El_Duderino 09

Why bother going to a pop science forum to discuss gods? The burden of proof is on anyone who claims gods exist. They don’t have to meet that burden in the religious forums but surely they understand that they will need to have some good evidence in a science forum.

Shoehorning gods onto things we don’t understand is as old as things we don’t understand. Not understanding things isn’t evidence for gods, though some people mistake it for evidence.

So what's your alternative?

Where's your proof?

[El_Duderino 09]

Originally Posted by tatranska

So what's your alternative?

Where's your proof?

What’s my alternative to what? My alternative to making up explanations for things I don’t understand is to try to find out the actual explanations.

I don’t make the claim that god/gods exist so I don’t really need to provide evidence of their existence.

Do you claim god/gods exist?

[tatranska]

Originally Posted by El_Duderino 09

What’s my alternative to what? My alternative to making up explanations for things I don’t understand is to try to find out the actual explanations.

I don’t make the claim that god/gods exist so I don’t really need to provide evidence of their existence.

Do you claim god/gods exist?

You're being deliberately obtuse. You know exactly what my question meant.
In case you didn't.....
You don't believe in a Creator. So how did everything get here?

[El_Duderino 09]

Originally Posted by tatranska

You're being deliberately obtuse. You know exactly what my question meant.
In case you didn't.....
You don't believe in a Creator. So how did everything get here?

I don’t believe in a creator.

How did everything get here? I don’t know. I don’t claim to know everything. I’m ok with the fact that I don’t know everything. Lack of evidence to make a claim to knowledge at the moment so I don’t make a claim.

How do you think did “everything get here”?

[Midster]

[quote=Capt'n Midnight;111110758]There's plenty of wiggle room in quantum mechanics
The anthropic principle could be viewed as
- the universe only exists because we are here to observe it.
- the universe appears fine tuned for life because if it wasn't we couldn't be here to see it.

Ok so if there wasn’t a Big Bang (according to quantum science)
And it wasn’t created in just 7 short days by the god in the Christian holy bible.
There is always room for a coincidental existence, that being that all the building blocks of life just happened to be here on earth in the right place at the right time billions of years ago.

Except for, as any good police investigator will tell you. There is no such thing as coincidence, but and yet, in our case (our solar system, earth itself, evolution of human kind etc) there has been so many.

1st) We mastered fire and learnt how to burn things
2nd) We learnt by burning things we could also cook meat and make it a lot more tasty, and most importantly boil water.
Fast forward >>>>>>>
3rd) We learnt the steam made by boiling water could be pressurized which could be used in fact to make enormous things move.
4th) We learnt also by using the same technique we could create huge amounts of electricity
5th) We learnt by burning fossil fuels we cause pollution.
6th) First nuclear bomb goes off
7th) We learnt we could use nuclear power to boil water, make steam and create electric.
8th) We begin pegging back on our air polluting ways
9th) Solar panels and wind turbines come into effect.
10) Creating new tech all the time, that’s better and cleaner for the environment, attempting to repair the damage previous human steps had made through 1 to 10.

By using coal and fossil fuels, we accelerated the expansion of trade, business, infrastructure, social interactions, and most importantly, our own knowledge and technology.
Although we caused a lot of damage by doing that, if we hadn't we would still be riding horses to work at the bread mill.

Also thanks to our advancement, we are now inventing new green tech, which is something we could have only ever done by burning the fossil fuel in the first place.

[Capt'n Midnight]

Originally Posted by Midster

Also thanks to our advancement, we are now inventing new green tech, which is something we could have only ever done by burning the fossil fuel in the first place.

Not sure how that post relates to the topic in question.

But for most of history metal processing was done with wood charcoal.
Coal was only used when they figured out how to make coke from it.

As for no such thing as coincidence ?
Convergent evolution would suggest otherwise. Same with technology. Lots of people came up with similar inventions at the same time. Similar conditions often result in somewhat similar solutions.