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11-06-2019, 19:25   #46
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A Leinster academy lad in 2B doesn't seem right.

Don't they all have to play in Div 1
Dont think they do but in general many will have been encouraged to play with higher level sides. Wouldnt see it as not being right tbh. 2A can still be decent quality
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Dont think they do but in general many will have been encouraged to play with higher level sides. Wouldnt see it as not being right tbh. 2A can still be decent quality
Likely he’ll be getting high match fees there in the region of 200-500 euro based on what they were offering less talented players last year
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Dont think they do but in general many will have been encouraged to play with higher level sides. Wouldnt see it as not being right tbh. 2A can still be decent quality
But blackrock are in 2B.

You have Greystones, Malahide and wanderers there too, and then if playing up again you have Barnhall in 2A.

Then all the Div 1 teams.

Doesn't make sense to see an academy lad that low down relatively. They would want him at a higher level
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But blackrock are in 2B.

You have Greystones, Malahide and wanderers there too, and then if playing up again you have Barnhall in 2A.

Then all the Div 1 teams.

Doesn't make sense to see an academy lad that low down relatively. They would want him at a higher level
He doesnt even turn 20 until December. Mightnt be too worried and maybe think season at that level will improve him more this season then moving up for season after than not playing in the AIL in a 1A club all the time. Game time in 18 AIL 2B games far better than maybe a few AIL division 1 games
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Likely he’ll be getting high match fees there in the region of 200-500 euro based on what they were offering less talented players last year
He was on UCD Ad Astra too so he's giving up his scholarship which is guaranteed accommodation, bursary and/or fees paid. Also losing all the help like tutors, talking to lectures about arranging stuff around lectures etc that you get when you're representing UCD. That's a lot to give up to go play 2B rugby, especially when there's a lot of options in roughly his position playing regularly in 1A. If you're in the second year of the academy and you don't back yourself to start for UCD then that academy position probably isn't too secure.
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He doesnt even turn 20 until December. Mightnt be too worried and maybe think season at that level will improve him more this season then moving up for season after than not playing in the AIL in a 1A club all the time. Game time in 18 AIL 2B games far better than maybe a few AIL division 1 games

He won’t be playing 18 games for blackrock, he’ll do well to play 9.. leinster likely to get back to the final or win Celtic cup ruling him out until potentially Christmas
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He was on UCD Ad Astra too so he's giving up his scholarship which is guaranteed accommodation, bursary and/or fees paid. Also losing all the help like tutors, talking to lectures about arranging stuff around lectures etc that you get when you're representing UCD. That's a lot to give up to go play 2B rugby, especially when there's a lot of options in roughly his position playing regularly in 1A. If you're in the second year of the academy and you don't back yourself to start for UCD then that academy position probably isn't too secure.
And players who're not that can still get assistance beyond that. Maybe it isnt the player who also looked for the move.

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He won’t be playing 18 games for blackrock, he’ll do well to play 9.. leinster likely to get back to the final or win Celtic cup ruling him out until potentially Christmas
He'll likely play far more AIL with rock than he would in a higher division club. Not everyone has to or should be in a 1A club immediately simply because theyre in the academy.
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And players who're not that can still get assistance beyond that. Maybe it isnt the player who also looked for the move.

He'll likely play far more AIL with rock than he would in a higher division club. Not everyone has to or should be in a 1A club immediately simply because theyre in the academy.
He played in every ail game he was fit and available for ucd, any leinster academy player will be included in at the very least the match day squad for any 1a club
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Who's to say a Leinster academy player wouldn't play every single game for UCD.

As above, if he doesn't back himself to play in Div 1 or Leinster don't, he has no business in academy.

It just doesn't make sense. Then why not Barnhall in 2A or Greystones in 2B.

Never mind a Wesley etc.

Can't see Leinster going, we would rather see you skin tries past wanderers in a lower level than play higger up v better opposition
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Sounds like he's gone from the Academy if thats the move. I cant see that flying whatsoever, maybe he's going to try move to Sevens and play very little 15s.
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And players who're not that can still get assistance beyond that. Maybe it isnt the player who also looked for the move.

He'll likely play far more AIL with rock than he would in a higher division club. Not everyone has to or should be in a 1A club immediately simply because theyre in the academy.
He was actually pushed to go to Rock by Leinster academy because they are putting him into a house and the academy want to make sure he is looked after.
He is also going into the sevens program so between that and A games he probably won't see too much AIL. Daft situation where Leinster are actually encouraging players and clubs to flout Regulation 6.
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And players who're not that can still get assistance beyond that. Maybe it isnt the player who also looked for the move.
I assume you're trying to say that players that aren't playing for UCD can still get assistance and yeah they can but it's all off their own back and at mercy of lecturers whereas if you're on Ad Astra you just tell the head of rugby what you need and once it's anyway justifiable it's done, tutors are found, exams are moved or accommodated elsewhere, deadlines extended, all stuff that lecturers might do if you ask nicely but also might not.

It's a very very odd move and must include a serious wedge to make it worthwhile.
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Ad Astra only provides 10 scholarships a year to rugby as far as I'm aware, I'm not sure all of the academy lads are on it, there might be a separate agreement in place with the academy and UCD, as the likes of Conor O'Brien studied economics in UCD but played with Clontarf, Cormac Daly the same.
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Ad Astra only provides 10 scholarships a year to rugby as far as I'm aware, I'm not sure all of the academy lads are on it, there might be a separate agreement in place with the academy and UCD, as the likes of Conor O'Brien studied economics in UCD but played with Clontarf, Cormac Daly the same.
Aaron O'sullivan is, well was, on Ad Astra. There isn't any other agreement with the college and academy players but I imagine the college are slightly more accommodating when someone from leinster asks for help for a player but not as accommodating as when it's a player representing the college.
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Ad Astra only provides 10 scholarships a year to rugby as far as I'm aware, I'm not sure all of the academy lads are on it, there might be a separate agreement in place with the academy and UCD, as the likes of Conor O'Brien studied economics in UCD but played with Clontarf, Cormac Daly the same.
UCD offer way more scholarships than 10 a year but I doubt they offer 10 Ad Astras
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