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13-10-2019, 11:33   #526
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So a crooked line out isn't considered as completed and therfore cannot end a game?

Is that contentious?
Play must restart. A crooked line out isn't a valid restart
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Play must restart. A crooked line out isn't a valid restart
It makes sense because otherwise you could try kick the ball directly out or not 10 from a restart kick to end the game, which isn't really fair.
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Was it in the Connacht match last night? The play is going ahead near the opposition line, the ref says if Connacht don't score, he'll award a penalty try, this was on his mike to other officials. Really strange as Connacht scored and then had to kick the conversion. With the pen try their would have been no conversion kick and risk of missing.
Not knowing what game you saw but there was one incidence of this at RWC as well.

A penalty try can only be awarded when some act of foul play denies a team of a probable try or forces a try to be scored away from the middle of the posts. If advantage is being played then it should normally be let play out; subject to what the foul play call was for. If a TMO or assistant referee made a call then play should continue and if required then it can be reviewed.
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you haven't a clue!
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you haven't a clue!
To whom are you referring there mr. biscuits?
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13-11-2019, 22:59   #531
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He obviously thought long and hard about it.
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Here's one I heard this morning.
A league match in Connacht yesterday was blown up early by the referee after 77 mins, but apparently there would have been at least 4 mins injury time also. The referee was made aware of his mistake, acknowledged it and told the coaches he would play out the remaining time. But a brawl broke out between some players while this discussion was going on, so he just blew up and said he couldn't continue. Apparently the match was in the balance so it's very contentious. Presume the result as it stands will be appealed by the losing team. Interesting to hear the outcome of that...
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Here's one I heard this morning.
A league match in Connacht yesterday was blown up early by the referee after 77 mins, but apparently there would have been at least 4 mins injury time also. The referee was made aware of his mistake, acknowledged it and told the coaches he would play out the remaining time. But a brawl broke out between some players while this discussion was going on, so he just blew up and said he couldn't continue. Apparently the match was in the balance so it's very contentious. Presume the result as it stands will be appealed by the losing team. Interesting to hear the outcome of that...
Considering that we have a member and poster to this page who is active in Connaught, I’ll thread carefully here...

In general the referee is in charge of keeping time during a game that s/he is in charge of. The main exception to this would be games where an official timekeeper has been appointed to the game for that sole purpose, but appointed touch judges/assistant referees and 4th/5th officials will also track match time.

In relation to your account, TBH there is no such thing as injury time in rugby. What may be practiced is the stopping of time to deal with non playing issues such as treatment and/or removal of injured players when the ball is dead. Such stoppages can only be called by the referee during a game as required. Unless the ref calls stops and restarts to time then a half can only be 40 minutes of play from the kick off.

Now, I certainly can expect that a ref may have inadvertently called time a tad early, and I can also expect that two coaches may have their own take on the remaining time. However it is still the call of the match officials as to how long is left, assuming if any time is left.

As regards the handbags, well perhaps that ate into the playing time remaining, thus making the whole argument academic bar for the Disciplinary Sub Committee hearing next Thursday

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Yeah I only posted it as an interesting one, workmate was telling us today about it. Reminded me of the infamous hurling game in 97 I think between Clare and Offaly, where the crowd had a sit-down protest on the pitch when the ref blew up early. That game was ordered to be re-played. It would be interesting to see the ref report for this one. But yes, you're right, tread carefully... REFS ARE INFALLIBLE!!
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Here's one I heard this morning.
A league match in Connacht yesterday was blown up early by the referee after 77 mins, but apparently there would have been at least 4 mins injury time also. The referee was made aware of his mistake, acknowledged it and told the coaches he would play out the remaining time. But a brawl broke out between some players while this discussion was going on, so he just blew up and said he couldn't continue. Apparently the match was in the balance so it's very contentious. Presume the result as it stands will be appealed by the losing team. Interesting to hear the outcome of that...
I was a player involved in the game and the brawl. The whole thing was bizarre. We were winning with the ball in our own half, we asked for time and were told it was up so we kicked it out. There was then a brawl after this, with one player of theirs in particular throwing multiple punches, this ended and we were clapped off, the opposing team then refused to go through our tunnel as their camera man had told them only 37 minutes had been played. A number of couches, players, and spectators crowded the ref, who I genuinely think was terrified at this stage. He eventually decided that the game could not continue as I number of players should of been sent off and was walked in by out team with drunken spectators whistling and following him to the dressing room.

I don't really understand how he got the timing so wrong, without a doubt he blew or up early, it was a huge mistake as it was a top of the table clash between first and second, but I'm guessing it will stand
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thoughts on the Dan Biggar try: just curious about this one.

TMO clearly says he lost control of the ball but then regathers it. All true, but he regathers it because a French arm is there who holds the ball up, so for me that is clearly a knock on. Biggar has control, loses control, ball hits French arm, then ball back in control. For me it's only not a knock on if he regathers it before it touches floor or Frenchman, but as it is, it's a clear if unobvious knock on, or am i reading it all wrong?
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I think the checking by the referee is usually for clear and obvious, with the ref having already favoured a try. I don't think the video ref is to microscopically analyse the move.
Can't remember the try but I thought Ntimack had got his hands in on another and it wasn't actually touched down.
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I think the checking by the referee is usually for clear and obvious, with the ref having already favoured a try. I don't think the video ref is to microscopically analyse the move.
Can't remember the try but I thought Ntimack had got his hands in on another and it wasn't actually touched down.
TMO clearly said, he lost control but then regathered, so it was clear and obvious. the grounding wasn't checked as the ref was happy with it
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I'm going to print this off for some of the parents who attend our junior matches
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Yeah I only posted it as an interesting one, workmate was telling us today about it. Reminded me of the infamous hurling game in 97 I think between Clare and Offaly, where the crowd had a sit-down protest on the pitch when the ref blew up early. That game was ordered to be re-played. It would be interesting to see the ref report for this one. But yes, you're right, tread carefully... REFS ARE INFALLIBLE!!
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I was a player involved in the game and the brawl. The whole thing was bizarre. We were winning with the ball in our own half, we asked for time and were told it was up so we kicked it out. There was then a brawl after this, with one player of theirs in particular throwing multiple punches, this ended and we were clapped off, the opposing team then refused to go through our tunnel as their camera man had told them only 37 minutes had been played. A number of couches, players, and spectators crowded the ref, who I genuinely think was terrified at this stage. He eventually decided that the game could not continue as I number of players should of been sent off and was walked in by out team with drunken spectators whistling and following him to the dressing room.

I don't really understand how he got the timing so wrong, without a doubt he blew or up early, it was a huge mistake as it was a top of the table clash between first and second, but I'm guessing it will stand
Generally speaking , once a game goes beyond 2/3rd's complete the result stands if the game is called up short either for injury or because the referee decides that it can't continue because of an incident.

I have been involved as a coach in 2 games that were blown early because of a punch up and on both occasions the result stood as the games were beyond the 2/3rd's limit.

The referee may have made a mistake , but as the law book says "The referee is the sole arbiter of fact on the field of play" so in the absence of a TMO or external time-keeper then it's entirely their call as to when they blow the game up.
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