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Should log cabins be legal to live in??

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  • #152
    Bdjsjsjs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 82 ✭✭Bdjsjsjs


    kceire wrote: »
    You do realise conversion to Airbnb doesn’t help the housing crisis.
    Also, many empty houses, the problem is people and our social system system that allows social tenants to pick and choose houses that they want.


    Turning a shed into an airbnb does help the housing crisis. Absolutely does. It lessens the demands on over stretched hotel and self catering accommodation and makes offering a dwelling to a long term renter more relatively attractive.


  • #153
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,147 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    ^and banned less than 3 minutes later...


  • #154
    Darc19
    Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Garden rooms should be permitted, but with restrictions.

    1. Cannot be more than 40 Sq m
    2. Must be tied to the overall 40sqm extension limits with similar spacial rules.
    3. 10 year license for habitation. Then 5 year extensions can be applied for.
    4. Only extended direct family members permitted to use them (niece, nephew, son, brother etc etc ) or a student via a recognized student organization.
    5. Independent access to unit must be available (this will preclude mid terrace houses)
    6. Tenant, if a student, must have access to laundry facilities.
    7. Design and location must be approved by council / professional such as an architect
    8. €500 license application fee applies
    9. Only approved suppliers can be used.
    10. Building must be temporary in nature.

    Example of South Dublin near UCD -
    There are many mature people with plenty of garden space that would love the security of someone close to them, but not in the house itself. It would give them security and company and possibly a few bob.

    Due to temporary nature and possibility that the dwelling could be removed, a purchase lease agreement would be possible.


  • #155
    nirmala99999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1 ✭nirmala99999


    perfection is the enemy of progress


  • #156
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Darc19 wrote: »
    Garden rooms should be permitted, but with restrictions.

    1. Cannot be more than 40 Sq m
    2. Must be tied to the overall 40sqm extension limits with similar spacial rules.
    3. 10 year license for habitation. Then 5 year extensions can be applied for.
    4. Only extended direct family members permitted to use them (niece, nephew, son, brother etc etc ) or a student via a recognized student organization.
    5. Independent access to unit must be available (this will preclude mid terrace houses)
    6. Tenant, if a student, must have access to laundry facilities.
    7. Design and location must be approved by council / professional such as an architect
    8. €500 license application fee applies
    9. Only approved suppliers can be used.
    10. Building must be temporary in nature.

    Example of South Dublin near UCD -
    There are many mature people with plenty of garden space that would love the security of someone close to them, but not in the house itself. It would give them security and company and possibly a few bob.

    Due to temporary nature and possibility that the dwelling could be removed, a purchase lease agreement would be possible.

    nothing stopping anyone with plenty of garden space applying for a property as youve described.

    The planning process should be the ultimate arbitrator of what is suitable or not.


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  • #157
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    nirmala99999 wrote: »
    perfection is the enemy of progress

    that didnt take you long.....


    and anyway, that quote is wrong..

    its complacency thats the enemy of progress


  • #158
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Bdjsjsjs wrote: »
    I think they are bad. I have many posts here discussing the matter and recommending people not to circumvent them. So you are clueless. Can I have an apology now for your bs claiming I am trying to break the law?
    Bdjsjsjs wrote: »
    Turning a shed into an airbnb does help the housing crisis. Absolutely does. It lessens the demands on over stretched hotel and self catering accommodation and makes offering a dwelling to a long term renter more relatively attractive.

    There has already been several warnings to posters in this thread

    We obey the law in this forum

    Please read the forum charter again


  • #159
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Darc19 wrote: »
    Garden rooms should be permitted, but with restrictions.

    1. Cannot be more than 40 Sq m
    2. Must be tied to the overall 40sqm extension limits with similar spacial rules.
    3. 10 year license for habitation. Then 5 year extensions can be applied for.
    4. Only extended direct family members permitted to use them (niece, nephew, son, brother etc etc ) or a student via a recognized student organization.
    5. Independent access to unit must be available (this will preclude mid terrace houses)
    6. Tenant, if a student, must have access to laundry facilities.
    7. Design and location must be approved by council / professional such as an architect
    8. €500 license application fee applies
    9. Only approved suppliers can be used.
    10. Building must be temporary in nature.

    Example of South Dublin near UCD -
    There are many mature people with plenty of garden space that would love the security of someone close to them, but not in the house itself. It would give them security and company and possibly a few bob.

    Due to temporary nature and possibility that the dwelling could be removed, a purchase lease agreement would be possible.

    This is the construction & planning forum, hypothesis for solving the housing crisis should be discussed in the accommodation & property forum thanks.


  • #160
    Darc19
    Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    nothing stopping anyone with plenty of garden space applying for a property as youve described.

    The planning process should be the ultimate arbitrator of what is suitable or not.

    That was the system before for small extensions and it clogged the Planning system up.
    So a variation on the exemption limit to permit garden rooms and just a professional dictating the location in the garden and where it is facing along with a fixed fee which would grant the 10 year license makes sense.


    If the idea could not be applied for, then it would be a no-goer in the first place.


  • #161
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Darc19 wrote: »
    That was the system before for small extensions and it clogged the Planning system up.
    So a variation on the exemption limit to permit garden rooms and just a professional dictating the location in the garden and where it is facing along with a fixed fee which would grant the 10 year license makes sense.


    If the idea could not be applied for, then it would be a no-goer in the first place.

    but how do you account for the extra space required for:

    increased car parking requirements
    increased traffic movement issues
    on site vehicular turning issues due to increased parking
    increased private amenity space required
    increased refuse storage required


    these are some of the issue which would arise , and which would be assessed at planning stage.

    the planning system is not currently "clogged up"
    there was over 92,000 planning applications in 2006.
    last year there was 32,000... the highest since 2009....


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  • #162
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,561 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Is converting a garage to a living space full with as much red tape as log cabins are?


  • #163
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ZahirMahin wrote: »
    That doesnt mean anything. Staff to app ratios would make more sense.

    More applications equals more staff.
    I work with planning offices every day.


  • #164
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Is converting a garage to a living space full with as much red tape as log cabins are?

    As an extension of house area.... Absolutely not.

    As a separate independent housing unit.. It can be very problematic.


  • #165
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,561 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    As an extension of house area.... Absolutely not.

    As a separate independent housing unit.. It can be very problematic.


    So no planning needed to use it as an extension of house area? Even though it's not attached to house, its to the rear, holds two cars, it's roughly 13ft wide by 30ft long. I'm thinking Den/ game room..


  • #166
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    So no planning needed to use it as an extension of house area? Even though it's not attached to house, its to the rear, holds two cars, it's roughly 13ft wide by 30ft long. I'm thinking Den/ game room..

    Assuming you originally got permission for that structure, then no planning needed once the use is ancillary to the dwelling and not used for habitation

    Just to clarify, a den / games room wouldn't be considered an "extension of floor area".

    My original comment assumed the garage was attached, and my original comment never mentioned exempted developments


  • #167
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    So no planning needed to use it as an extension of house area? Even though it's not attached to house, its to the rear, holds two cars, it's roughly 13ft wide by 30ft long. I'm thinking Den/ game room..

    This is a different planning class. Class 3 from memory. It’s classed as a shed, store, garage etc

    It’s not an extension to the house.
    If you have planning for the garage originally you can then turn it into a games room, den, hobby room or shed. No habitation allowed though.


  • #168
    Homer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭Homer


    Someone on to Joe Duffy whinging about having to remove their illegal log cabin after DCC got a report.. currently in discussion on RTE1


  • #169
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,561 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21662558


  • #170
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2019/1128/1095690-rick-small-boat/

    A Canadian man, whose houseboat washed ashore in Co Mayo three years ago, has been located in Vancouver.

    Mystery has surrounded the identity and whereabouts of the man since the vessel was discovered in November 2016.

    The solar power enabled craft washed up on Drum beach, near Belmullet.

    An inscription on one of the walls indicated its owner wanted it to be used by a homeless person, who could live without the pressure of energy bills.

    The 10 metre long vessel was made with driftwood and had sheets of polystyrene fitted to its hull, to assist with floatation.

    After it was taken from the sea by Mayo County Council, it was moved inland and repair work was carried out on it in the months that followed. ....

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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