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22-01-2018, 00:39   #211
 
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To be fair, a lot of people believe that whoever fires the first unprovoked shot in a dispute is automatically the worse of the two regardless of what comes after. To people who believe that, the fact that the first victim of this feud was a Hutch killed by the Kinahans for something he apparently didn't actually do, means that the Kinahans are automatically the bigger bad guys here and the Hutches are the more righteous of the two (in that context, given that their hit on the Regency was motivated by vengeance for their relative and not simply unprovoked, senseless violence).

It's not PC and it goes against what most Irish people are taught about vengeance, forgiveness, two wrongs don't make a right etc, but I think on a fundamental level a lot of people still believe this to at least some extent. As a kid, if someone is caught fighting with their sibling their instinctive justification is "but he hit me first". On some level, a lot of people regard whoever starts a fight as the person more deserving of getting their ass kicked in it.

Most people I know who aren't from either of the areas involved would tend to sympathise more with the Hutches for this reason - because if the media narrative is true (and one of the reasons I hesitate to form an opinion on which side is worse than the other is because I have a huge mistrust of the media's accuracy in reporting these feuds), then the Kinahans started the war by killing a Hutch for no reason at all, and therefore the Regency hit was just desserts for them.

Personally, I don't know anyone involved and I have years of first hand experience of how the media distorts reality, so I'm not inclined to assume anything at all is true about this conflict - hence my post a few pages ago about the deceased David Byrne's avengers being more their own crew with their own resources and agenda, than simply "people who take orders from the Kinahans" as the media portray them.
2009 Stephen's green robbery money invested with Daniel, never paid back, robbed by north inner city criminal grouping.

2 August 2014 jamie moore shot in spain, mik koks bmw x5 used, Spain police informed daniel of car used, which they had access to while mik was away.

15 August 2014 a person was brought to hospital, with wounds to legs,(cant name currently on trial)

gary hutch killed 24 September 2015 after a deal was struck.

edit, i changed August 2015 to August 2014, my bad.

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22-01-2018, 05:31   #212
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2009 Stephen's green robbery money invested with Daniel, never paid back, robbed by north inner city criminal grouping.

2 August 2015 jamie moore shot in spain, mik koks bmw x5 used, Spain police informed daniel of car used, which they had access to while mik was away.

15 August 2015 a person was brought to hospital, with wounds to legs,(cant name currently on trial)

gary hutch killed 24 September 2015 after a deal was struck.
Were the earlier incidents connected to the current feud? I'm pretty bad with keeping track of the names of everyone involved, especially since the press seem to muddy the waters so much in order to make it look like a binary "one side vs the other" kind of thing. But my point is, because of the media (whether this is true or not I don't know), the perception among a lot of people is that the Kinahans started it by killing Gary Hutch, and that the Regency attack, as horrific as it was, being vengeance for the earlier attack made the Kinahans ultimately responsible for it and the bloodshed which follows.

Again not a viewpoint I'd share because I'm pretty sure the media is oversimplifying something far more complex than "one family vs the other", but your average random newspaper reader with no connection to anyone "in the know" is more likely in my experience to regard the Kinahan faction as the unprovoked aggressors and the Hutch faction as the aggrieved victims hellbent for revenge. That's just the way it is when there's rampant media speculation and very little official word other than whatever sells papers in the morning.

It's basically an expanded version of the "if he threw the first punch, I've no sympathy that he got the sh!te kicked out of him" attitude to stories about drunken fights outside pubs at the weekends. People have a tendency to pick sides in news stories and people also have a tendency to try to identify the person who started the fight - even if the person who punched back did more damage. Hell, there were similar comments over the Club Annabelle killing, suggesting that the deceased had been one of the people who started on one of the other lads for no reason and thus somehow "had it coming" when the other guy's friends all jumped on him and ultimately kicked him to death. Not pleasant, but that's how a lot of people think.
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I know we laugh at the monikers given to the criminals but Mr. Big (won't say real name here) on the Northside is and had been for years feeding drugs into N.C.Dublin up to Louth, Meath, Monaghan and Cavan is supplying a lot more than 0.01% of drugs into Ireland and his supply has been shown in the past to be not dependent on the cartel.

As for you supporting the Hutch side of the gang in this campaign it doesn't make sense to think othat it's the Monk and his gang versus the Kinehan Cartel. His family members were involved with the cartel until it went pear shaped.
The extended Hutch family and friends were part of the cartel for years.
Mr J Gill ?
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you'd be amazed what a keen car spotter can pick up, from, specs, trim, wheels, hatch, estate or saloon.

hit one in the arm, two in the head, from a shotgun, a 3 shot shotgun, or reloaded? they usually use automatic pistols, is there a automatic shotgun available?
Knackers or pykys use shoot guns
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He is pure old school apparently, helps where he can, got young guys debts called off even wiped or paid himself, apparently staunchly anti drug sale and use.
Ha
Didn’t bring his kids up that way
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Didn’t bring his kids up that way
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Didn’t bring his kids up that way
This wasnt travellers, FFS.

what about gilla?
so you are saying the monks children are criminals?

from all my inquiries they are peaceful law abiding people
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This wasnt travellers, FFS.

what about gilla?
so you are saying the monks children are criminals?

from all my inquiries they are peaceful law abiding people
What’s your interest in all of this? You sound like a journalist.
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What’s your interest in all of this? You sound like a journalist.
thanks again for the compliment, i can assure you im not a journalist, anyone what to give me a job writing crime stories for them? ha

i grew up in a high crime area, was groomed by a gang as a teen and used for their benifit, seen, shootings, death, lives destroyed by addiction, double crosses, and its worse now than when i grew up, even in the area i grew up.
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What’s with the “a new me “ comment.

Would you be trying to make little of me?

Is that supposed to be a dig..?

Do you not accept the word of people living in areas as how life goes on.?

I’ve had 48 years of it, 26 of this supporting the local community against ignorance and working towards better for myself. I dont need your blessing.

Common sense answers, support and education is needed, not small minded belittling and condescending Bull****.

You are supposed to be a moderator. What part of impartial do you not understand.

Dont even consider looking down on me or sneering.

You don’t know anything about me or how life goes on daily in areas like these. When people speak up you try to sneer.

You are not superior to me, dont pretend to be.
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thanks again for the compliment, i can assure you im not a journalist, anyone what to give me a job writing crime stories for them? ha

i grew up in a high crime area, was groomed by a gang as a teen and used for their benifit, seen, shootings, death, lives destroyed by addiction, double crosses, and its worse now than when i grew up, even in the area i grew up.
You seem to know quite a bit about Dublin gangland for someone not from Dublin.
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In other news, rumour has it that a person who committed a robbery at a spar in clontarf will not commit any further criminal acts ever

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-new...-36307553.html
That's good news.
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You seem to know quite a bit about Dublin gangland for someone not from Dublin.
i get more information from ye (people) than anywhere else, i was here for the big thread, all the small ones, it's a interest i have, with no payment need,

the big thread made me relapse into drugs again(my own fault) i got too deep into with, with liveleak videos and the facebook profiles put up at the time blew my head too much information.

that's is most of my reasons for having such an interest, without being paid.
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And the gardai are off kicking in doors, fair play

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/...-36518134.html

Gardaí from the Garda National Drugs and Organised Crime Bureau arrested a 20-year-old man man in connection with the gun seizure in the Balgaddy area of Lucan, County Dublin.

During the raid, a loaded "PM -63 RAK" sub machine gun with an additional clip of ammunition was recovered.

just shows Kinahans will use anyone.
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"Depends where he was shot"

Ronanstown
I was talking about the part of the body not the geographical location.
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