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Demand For Purebred Red Angus

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  • 03-04-2020 6:31pm
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    Farmer jerry
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭


    Hey Guys.

    Hoping for some advice from my fellow farmers.

    I am currently fattening stock on my farm but would love to get into breeding. More out of interest and love of it over any financial reasons.

    I was thinking of purchasing some polled purebred in calf red angus.

    Is there demand from dairy farmers for red Angus? Very few for sale on done deal.

    Any thoughts appreciated.

    Thanks.
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    ganmo
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    Why would dairy men care about the colour of the bull?

    The calves are most likely gonna turn out black anyway


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    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    I used ZLL on 3 of my ladies last spring, all black cows. The calves, all bulls, came brown:D

    I have another by AA4088 who is jet black so ZLL seems to have some effect on colour but it didn't go all the way to red for me.

    I'll use him again this year in the hope of a red heifer.


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    Say my name
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    The only place I've seen red Angus being bred was on a purebred Montbeliarde dairy farm.

    I couldn't tell you what he got for the calves. But I'd imagine they came red with a whitish head from the montbeliarde.


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    Farmer jerry
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Farmer jerry


    ganmo wrote: »
    Why would dairy men care about the colour of the bull?

    The calves are most likely gonna turn out black anyway

    A lot of cows seem to be carriers of the red gene so a certain amount of calves are reddish. But i get your point. Red Angus have really caught in Canada, America, Australia and South Africa. 40% of Angus registered in Canada are now red. Don't ask me why. It was just something I was thinking about, maybe i could find better things to do with my time, lol


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    Farmer jerry
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Farmer jerry


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    I used ZLL on 3 of my ladies last spring, all black cows. The calves, all bulls, came brown:D

    I have another by AA4088 who is jet black so ZLL seems to have some effect on colour but it didn't go all the way to red for me.

    I'll use him again this year in the hope of a red heifer.

    Hopefully your red heifer arrives!! I know of 3 suckler farmers near me using Red Angus straws. One guy is using them on limousines, maybe to help with the temperament and would produce a nice colour! Not sure. I must call into him.


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    Gillespy
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    Farmer jerry wrote: »
    A lot of cows seem to be carriers of the red gene so a certain amount of calves are reddish. But i get your point. Red Angus have really caught in Canada, America, Australia and South Africa. 40% of Angus registered in Canada are now red. Don't ask me why. It was just something I was thinking about, maybe i could find better things to do with my time, lol

    In hot climates, red is an advantage over black I imagine.

    Red is all the rage. Red Holsteins carry a premium and it's funny how red hereford calves off dairy are sought after now.


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    Farmer jerry
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Farmer jerry


    Gillespy wrote: »
    In hot climates, red is an advantage over black I imagine.

    Red is all the rage. Red Holsteins carry a premium and it's funny how red hereford calves off dairy are sought after now.

    Ahhh, that makes sense. I think you hit the nail on the head. Climate is surely the main influence in the warmer countries. No fear of that here, lol.


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    carrollsno1
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    Gillespy wrote: »
    In hot climates, red is an advantage over black I imagine.

    Red is all the rage. Red Holsteins carry a premium and it's funny how red hereford calves off dairy are sought after now.

    Worked on a farm in Western Australia which had all black angus cattle having switched from herefords due to there being too much cases of melanoma in the herefords. Not sure if that was due to the red or the white but thats the way they went.

    Better living everyone



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    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Farmer jerry wrote: »
    A lot of cows seem to be carriers of the red gene so a certain amount of calves are reddish. But i get your point. Red Angus have really caught in Canada, America, Australia and South Africa. 40% of Angus registered in Canada are now red. Don't ask me why. It was just something I was thinking about, maybe i could find better things to do with my time, lol

    The slaughterhouses in america used to pay more for black cattle. So I think the reason they have a premium over there because every animal ya see is black other than the red ones


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    bogman_bass
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    carrollsno1 wrote: »
    Worked on a farm in Western Australia which had all black angus cattle having switched from herefords due to there being too much cases of melanoma in the herefords. Not sure if that was due to the red or the white but thats the way they went.

    Think that was more the white heads.


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    carrollsno1
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    Think that was more the white heads.

    I suppose it make sense actually looming at breeds like brangus, droughtmaster and santa gertrudas. Thise santa gertrudas cattle are something else.

    Better living everyone



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    Gillespy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    ganmo wrote: »
    The slaughterhouses in america used to pay more for black cattle. So I think the reason they have a premium over there because every animal ya see is black other than the red ones

    Black Angus premium is a big thing there and for some reason they don't accept the red angus as angus. They see them as another breed.


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    dodo mommy
    Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭dodo mommy


    A little bit off topic here but I have two Angus heifers and I don't know what to do with them (fatten or breed) they are 360kg now at 12 months what weight would the want to be before breeding?


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    Lady Haywire
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    dodo mommy wrote: »
    A little bit off topic here but I have two Angus heifers and I don't know what to do with them (fatten or breed) they are 360kg now at 12 months what weight would the want to be before breeding?

    You'd want them about 3/4 of their mature weight. I'd not normally serve anything until they're between 400-450kg (on purpose anyway, bulls have had other ideas when they're in the locality :pac:) but it'd be breed dependent. I'd give them another 3/4 months & look at them then.


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    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,069 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Farmer jerry wrote: »
    Hey Guys.

    Hoping for some advice from my fellow farmers.

    I am currently fattening stock on my farm but would love to get into breeding. More out of interest and love of it over any financial reasons.

    I was thinking of purchasing some polled purebred in calf red angus.

    Is there demand from dairy farmers for red Angus? Very few for sale on done deal.

    Any thoughts appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Red angus have the name of been hard calvers so wouldn’t be for me ps I love your line that your doing this out of interest and love of breeding than financial gain !!!!!


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    davidk1394
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    These are my red angus heifers out of montbeliarde cows.


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    jd_12345
    Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭jd_12345


    A lot of calf buyers would be very wary.
    I’d say if they weren’t in top order they’d have a jersey look.
    Buyers have bad experiences of buying ‘red angus’
    Lovely looking calves though.
    The only thing is that the questionable calving ease of a red angus defies the purpose of an angus in the first place.
    If you used them on friesians I’d say if wouldn’t balance out much more on calf sales than a black angus.
    There are too many angus and Hereford bulls out there. Most fellas selling end up finishing a proportion of them every year unless they’re being sold at a loss or have a very loyal customer base.


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