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05-10-2019, 15:17   #1
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US diplomat's wife flees home claiming diplomatic immunity after fatal collision

And according to this report, she was totally at fault, killing a 19 year old motorcyclist. Such a scummy thing to do, but will the UK government stand up for justice here? I suspect not.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...terfatal-road/

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killing a 19 year old cyclist.
Motorcyclist.

But yeah. Total scumbags. Face up to what you've done. Doubtful you'd even spend time in prison, but take responsibility.
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So does she face some sort of charges in the US?

Or can you go about killing people and claiming diplomatic immunity with zero consequence?
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Motorcyclist.
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It's the Trump Whitehouse so think about what a sensible government, with ethics and morals would do. Then just assume they'll do the complete opposite.

RIP Harry Dunn and my sincere condolences to his family and friends. It's an awful thing to have happened and it looks like it was a tragic accident, but whatever the circumstances it's compounded by cowardly hiding behind diplomatic protocol.

It just comes across as extreme arrogance by the US Government. It's not as if the UK is incapable of reasonably, fairly and proportionately investigating a fatal road accident and providing extremely high standards of due process.

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Really feel for the family here. I can only imagine how angry and frustrating this must be. Such a cowardly act by the wife the the US. No surprises really though.
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It's the Trump Whitehouse so think about what a sensible government, with ethics and morals would do. Then just assume they'll do the complete opposite.

RIP Harry Dunn and my sincere condolences to his family and friends. It's an awful thing to have happened, whatever the circumstances and it's compounded by cowardly hiding behind diplomatic protocol.
Trump is nothing got to do with it. The woman in question invoked immunity in a cowardly act of avoiding the consequences of her actions. Diplomatic immunity as it stands needs to be re-examined it was not intended to allow those that invoke it to behave illegally.
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Trump is nothing got to do with it. The woman in question invoked immunity in a cowardly act of avoiding the consequences of her actions. Diplomatic immunity as it stands needs to be re-examined it was not intended to allow those that invoke it to behave illegally.
"Police applied for a waiver of the immunity to pursue the case, but their request was rejected."

That's a decision made by the Ambassador in London or the State Department. So effectively, the Trump administration.

I mean can you imagine Ireland or even the UK insisting on that if a spouse of a diplomat were to have had a similar accident in NY or DC?
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"Police applied for a waiver of the immunity to pursue the case, but their request was rejected."

That's a decision made by the Ambassador in London or the State Department. So effectively, the Trump administration.

I mean can you imagine Ireland or even the UK insisting on that if a spouse of a diplomat were to have had a similar accident in NY or DC?
The state department is behaving in the same manner as other government would deal with a request, regardless who the office holder is.
Can you provide a link to any government which removed diplomatic immunity status from any of its citizens. I certainly can't. Similar incidents happened in 93 and 97 in Russia , US didn't remove immunity from there citizens then either and I'm positive Trump wasn't president then.

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Ridiculous that diplomatic immunity can cover families of diplomats as well. Presumably it exists as there may be things in a diplomat's line of work that flirt with the boundaries of legality, but their families wouldn't be involved in anything like that. It's like saying that parliamentary privilege extends to families of TDs, MPs, etc., so they can say whatever they like about whoever they like with no consequences.
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DI might cover accidents but probably not premeditated murder?
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Diplomatic immunity has always had problems but usually severe violations of local law (eg. Attempted rape by Malaysian diplomat in 2014) get processed.

Political situation here being Trump not fawning in love with the UK - but he does have supporters there, and supporters in the US largely claim to be adamantly pro life (while getting on Facebook to rave about how we need bullets and bayonets at the border)

Could go either way; without public outrage Trump will sit on it.
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Trump is nothing got to do with it. The woman in question invoked immunity in a cowardly act of avoiding the consequences of her actions. Diplomatic immunity as it stands needs to be re-examined it was not intended to allow those that invoke it to behave illegally.
Incorrect. The immunity belongs to the State, not the diplomat (or dependents). Therefore, the State may waive it.
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Ridiculous that diplomatic immunity can cover families of diplomats as well. Presumably it exists as there may be things in a diplomat's line of work that flirt with the boundaries of legality, but their families wouldn't be involved in anything like that. It's like saying that parliamentary privilege extends to families of TDs, MPs, etc., so they can say whatever they like about whoever they like with no consequences.
It exists to allow Diplomats represent the interests of their State, without fear of reprisal from the host nation. This is why it covers their families.

It's not much use to the Diplomat if their Spouse or Children can be locked up.
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The state department is behaving in the same manner as other government would deal with a request, regardless who the office holder is.
Can you provide a link to any government which removed diplomatic immunity status from any of its citizens. I certainly can't. Similar incidents happened in 93 and 97 in Russia , US didn't remove immunity from there citizens then either and I'm positive Trump wasn't president then.
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9701/12...mat/index.html
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