Dun Laoghaire Ironman 70.3 2019

PWEI · 26-08-2019 8:40pm

So looking at the Ironman App there were 1738 entered in 2018 & 1556 entered this year going on allocated bib numbers.
How does that look for the event continuing beyond next year?

Really hope it does as its a great event. I did it both years and loved it.
The previous Dublin 70.3 didn't interest me because of the bike course and the run through the Phoenix Park.
I did the Galway 70.3 and there was no comparison in terms of support & atmosphere. The support yesterday was superb and the atmosphere was electric.

EDit · 26-08-2019 8:44pm

PWEI wrote: »

Really hope it does as its a great event. I did it both years and loved it.
The previous Dublin 70.3 didn't interest me because of the bike course and the run through the Phoenix Park.
I did the Galway 70.3 and there was no comparison in terms of support & atmosphere. The support yesterday was superb and the atmosphere was electric.

I did it both years as well and totally agree...the atmosphere in Dun Laoghaire is fantastic and its a great event. Will be a shame if it got canned.

S_D · 26-08-2019 9:12pm

Not a great advert for Irish Ironman events when corks swim was cancelled and almost DL too... What were the chances of that happening!! Its fighting an uphill battle,,, even bringing over some big names Im not sure is enough for DL 2020... who knows.....maybe a changed bike course to encourage more people to enter ...?

TriNRun · 26-08-2019 9:43pm

There are so many lakes and rivers in Ireland that are a better gamble for weather, maybe Ironman could look at these options as there is clearly a market for them, maybe 1 event is sustainable , 2 events may be a stretch every year

PWEI · 26-08-2019 10:03pm

I think the tough bike course is definitely putting a lot of people off.

When you look at the Dublin 70.3 event, there was roughly 2480 people entered in 2015 and in its final year 2017 it was roughly 1850 which is more than entered Dun Laoghaire in its first year.

Its a shame but I guess a lot of people are more interested in fast times rather than completing challenging courses.

Ribs1234 · 26-08-2019 10:17pm

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

TriNRun · 26-08-2019 10:26pm

Ribs1234 wrote: »

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

in Europe and the US and Oz the hot weather is the 4th discipline or variable you have to overcome,in the UK and Ireland we don't usually have hot weather , maybe they trying to make the events in Ireland, Wales and England harder with hills in order to add that 4th variable

PWEI · 26-08-2019 10:34pm

Ribs1234 wrote: »

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

I don't think so. If anything they have been making some of their courses easier. Look at IM Hamburg, that was a fairly hilly bike course and then they changed it to a flat fast course.

Shedite27 · 26-08-2019 10:39pm

Ribs1234 wrote: »

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

I think they were just looking to make it more interesting really, IM Dublin was a fairly straightforward race that was lost in Dublin, a challenging course, with a small town run works better in a lot of places.

Those chasing fast times tend to go to Europe.

peter kern · 27-08-2019 9:46am

S_D wrote: »

Not a great advert for Irish Ironman events when corks swim was cancelled and almost DL too... What were the chances of that happening!! Its fighting an uphill battle,,, even bringing over some big names Im not sure is enough for DL 2020... who knows.....maybe a changed bike course to encourage more people to enter ...?[/quote

So you think a contract means nothing....

peter kern · 27-08-2019 10:03am

Ribs1234 wrote: »

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

Yes that was a conscious decision by ironman a few years ago. if I remember correctly to combat drafting

peter kern · 27-08-2019 10:09am

TriNRun wrote: »

There are so many lakes and rivers in Ireland that are a better gamble for weather, maybe Ironman could look at these options as there is clearly a market for them, maybe 1 event is sustainable , 2 events may be a stretch every year

The issue is you are making a comment without understanding the very basics of ironman and the cost of setting up a race, so a lake does nothing if the council at the lake does not want to spend money on a race.
So I guess maybe try to educate yourself a bit on Google how it works I would be surprised if it takes more than 15 min to get some idea

ChickenBalls · 27-08-2019 10:36am

Maybe a route like this could work - just did a quick rough draft of a possible looped(2.5 loops) course that Spectators(get to view athletes more often) and athletes themselves(less elevation be it 695m) could benefit from. N11 isn't affected with this route. If it could be used, then even better to stretch out cycle towards Booterstown and reduce to 2 loops.

https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/2659498852

Now there could be a whole number of reasons that this is not even possible that I don't know of, but I'll let the organisers figure that out

SfeD · 27-08-2019 1:20pm

I think the toughness and the scenery of the bike is the reason why people would travel to Ireland for racing.
Even for the IM label reputation, I believe they need to keep tough races in their catalog for the Ironman status to mean something.. That's the way this race should be advertised, you are going to complete an epic course, it is very unlikely that you will get a PB but you will not forget that one.

EC1000 · 27-08-2019 1:32pm

ChickenBalls wrote: »

Maybe a route like this could work - just did a quick rough draft of a possible looped(2.5 loops) course that Spectators(get to view athletes more often) and athletes themselves(less elevation be it 695m) could benefit from. N11 isn't affected with this route. If it could be used, then even better to stretch out cycle towards Booterstown and reduce to 2 loops.

https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/2659498852

Now there could be a whole number of reasons that this is not even possible that I don't know of, but I'll let the organisers figure that out

1000 to 2000 people on a relatively flat two loop course = draftfest.

EDit · 27-08-2019 1:36pm

SfeD wrote: »

I think the toughness and the scenery of the bike is the reason why people would travel to Ireland for racing.
Even for the IM label reputation, I believe they need to keep tough races in their catalog for the Ironman status to mean something.. That's the way this race should be advertised, you are going to complete an epic course, it is very unlikely that you will get a PB but you will not forget that one.

Totally agree...although I was cursing the gods as I slugged up the R759 past Lough Tay on Sunday, I do think the event would lose something if the bike was altered to avoid the Wicklow mountains

Shedite27 · 27-08-2019 1:39pm

SfeD wrote: »

I think the toughness and the scenery of the bike is the reason why people would travel to Ireland for racing.
Even for the IM label reputation, I believe they need to keep tough races in their catalog for the Ironman status to mean something.. That's the way this race should be advertised, you are going to complete an epic course, it is very unlikely that you will get a PB but you will not forget that one.

YEah my only long distance is Austria, a notoriously fast course. If I was ever to go again it'd be Lanzarote (notoriously tough course). You need different options.

Shedite27 · 27-08-2019 1:40pm

ChickenBalls wrote: »

https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/2659498852

EC1000 wrote: »

1000 to 2000 people on a relatively flat two loop course = draftfest.

Think there's a pun in the name of the route

SfeD · 27-08-2019 1:47pm

Don't tell me.. I even cursed the gods on the slight ascent before DL.. :-)

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 1:50pm

peter kern wrote: »

The issue is you are making a comment without understanding the very basics of ironman and the cost of setting up a race, so a lake does nothing if the council at the lake does not want to spend money on a race.
So I guess maybe try to educate yourself a bit on Google how it works I would be surprised if it takes more than 15 min to get some idea

stop trolling!
I've probably racked up more ironman events branded and unbranded than you have even considered doing, I'm up to at least 8 now, the frankfurt region alone have a branded ironman and unbranded half ironman on a lake and a river respectively , anything is possible , you can do one before you get too obese

griffin100 · 27-08-2019 1:54pm

TriNRun wrote: »

stop trolling!
I've probably racked up more ironman events branded and unbranded than you have even considered doing, I'm up to at least 8 now, the frankfurt region alone have a branded ironman and unbranded half ironman on a lake and a river respectively , anything is possible , you can do one before you get too obese

Haha now that’s a trolling post.

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 1:56pm

peter kern wrote: »

Yes that was a conscious decision by ironman a few years ago. if I remember correctly to combat drafting

nonsense again, where's the link that says this? why is it that the German courses we already spoke of are not overly hilly still? The best way to combat drafting is to increase the draft zone to about 20 metres

ChickenBalls · 27-08-2019 2:38pm

EC1000 wrote: »

1000 to 2000 people on a relatively flat two loop course = draftfest.

True - I've seen it first hand in lots of flat races actually - I tried thou

68 lost souls · 27-08-2019 3:02pm

TriNRun wrote: »

stop trolling!
I've probably racked up more ironman events branded and unbranded than you have even considered doing, I'm up to at least 8 now, the frankfurt region alone have a branded ironman and unbranded half ironman on a lake and a river respectively , anything is possible , you can do one before you get too obese

I repeat a comment made above, google a little before responding.

Peter correct me if Im wrong or add to the list if you like Australia, Western Australia, Sligo half Ironman, Lost sheep, Barcelona, Lost Sheep, Hardman, Frenchman, Sheephaven... (only counting halves and full)

peter kern · 27-08-2019 3:07pm

TriNRun wrote: »

stop trolling!
I've probably racked up more ironman events branded and unbranded than you have even considered doing, I'm up to at least 8 now, the frankfurt region alone have a branded ironman and unbranded half ironman on a lake and a river respectively , anything is possible , you can do one before you get too obese

Fair play for your sporting achievments.

But again for a branded race the most important factor is that the council is willing to invest a good amount off money to hold a race in their area. So havering a lake and no willingness to pay good bugs to get an m dot races to that Leake does you nothing.

Marty Bird · 27-08-2019 3:08pm

68 lost souls wrote: »

I repeat a comment made above, google a little before responding.

Peter correct me if Im wrong or add to the list if you like Australia, Western Australia, Sligo half Ironman, Lost sheep, Barcelona, Lost Sheep, Hardman, Frenchman, Sheephaven... (only counting halves and full)

You can add the Norseman too.

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 3:13pm

Marty Bird wrote: »

You can add the Norseman too.

and paddywhackeryman

peter kern · 27-08-2019 3:52pm

Marty Bird wrote: »

You can add the Norseman too.

I havent done that but I did a quick count I have finished 11 and 4 sub 9 hours.

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 3:54pm

But none in rivers or lakes?

Marty Bird · 27-08-2019 5:01pm

peter kern wrote: »

I havent done that but I did a quick count I have finished 11 and 4 sub 9 hours.

I don’t why I thought you had.

Dun Laoghaire Ironman 70.3 2019

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