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Ethnic Revisionism - Mary: Queen of the Multicultural Scots

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  • #92
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Undividual wrote: »
    I can go back to the ones you dodged last time, if you want? I thought these were the easy ones to answer.

    If you want, I can make them multiple choice?


    "Are you saying that including Asian actresses for non-Asian roles is fine so long as its aimed at an Asian market?
    Do you think that Asian people want to see a movie with effectively an Asian extra, with less than 10 lines throughout the movie?
    Do you think that Hollywood today makes movies aimed at one market alone? "

    As i said, those are non congruent questions. Youre leading me into presuppositions with loaded questions instead of a direct response.

    The real answer is the distributors hired minority actresses because its the easiest way to sell a movie about a european monarch they never heard of


  • #93
    Undividual
    Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Undividual


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    You're right, that wouldn't work in The Favourite because the story focuses on three women in a world of men, it's not an overtly feminist film but Abigail's rise to power and Weisz's attempts to stop her would not be so significant if we saw a female Tory in the background. It was a bad example on my part but it also actually highlighted my point that there are historical stories that require certain accuracies. The Favourite requires an accuracy to the role of women but race is irrelevant. A black actor playing someone of the upper class neither takes anything away or adds anything to the central story of the three women or the themes of the film.

    Agreed


  • #94
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Undividual wrote: »
    I never realized I was racist til a troll told me so.

    I better go to sleep now, I have some 'pologizin to do tomorrow...

    :(

    ‘Damn.. all these trolls... how dare people challenge my viewpoint!’


  • #95
    Undividual
    Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Undividual


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    As i said, those are non congruent questions. Youre leading me into presuppositions with loaded questions instead of a direct response.

    The real answer is the distributors hired minority actresses because its the easiest way to sell a movie about a european monarch they never heard of

    YAWN!


  • #96
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Francesca Sour Stomach wrote: »
    Undividual didn't say that he doesn't like seeing black people in film/on tv. Doing so would involve him saying "I wish film and tv didn't have black actors - don't like seeing them" and he didn't say that at all, he said something quite different, so yeah it is sh1tty to say he just doesn't like black people being on the screen.

    ‘Its not that i hate seeing blacks in movies.. i just hate seeing them in some! ;) ‘


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  • #97
    Undividual
    Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Undividual


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ‘Damn.. all these trolls... how dare people challenge my viewpoint!’

    I wish you would challenge my viewpoint. The only challenge so far is your grammar.


  • #98
    Sonic Youth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ‘Damn.. all these trolls... how dare people challenge my viewpoint!’

    It's fine to state your viewpoint. Accusing people of racism, making constant inane comments about snowflakes is just sad tbh.


  • #99
    Undividual
    Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Undividual


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ‘Its not that i hate seeing blacks in movies.. i just hate seeing them in some! ;) ‘

    YAWN-A-THON!


  • #100
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Undividual wrote: »
    YAWN!


    The real answer is the distributors hired minority actresses because its the easiest way to sell a movie about a european monarch they never heard of

    Thats your answer my guy.


  • #101
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ‘Its not that i hate seeing blacks in movies.. i just hate seeing them in some! ;) ‘
    So not what you originally accused him of saying, but still misrepresenting it.


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  • #102
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    It's fine to state your viewpoint. Accusing people of racism, making constant inane comments about snowflakes is just sad tbh.

    Getting offended over someones race jn a movie is pretty snowflake tbh


  • #103
    batistuta9
    Registered Users Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    The real answer is the distributors hired minority actresses because its the easiest way to sell a movie about a european monarch they never heard of

    Thats your answer my guy.

    The real answer is the director wouldn't do it if it was all white people.


  • #104
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Francesca Sour Stomach wrote: »
    So not what you originally accused him of saying, but still misrepresenting it.

    We can disambiguate all day. Argue syntax even. But bottom line is: OP got offended because a black lady showed up in a movie


  • #105
    Sonic Youth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Getting offended over someones race jn a movie is pretty snowflake tbh

    Op wasn't getting offended though. He's questioning why minority actors are cast to play roles in historical settings that they would never have appeared in. Why is that so problematic for you? Why the constant need to accuse him of racism?


  • #106
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    Op wasn't getting offended though. He's questioning why minority actors are cast to play roles in historical settings that they would never have appeared in. Why is that so problematic for you? Why the constant need to accuse him of racism?

    Ah yes. He wasn’t offended he only wrote about 10 paragraphs on why blacks shouldnt be in a movie lol


  • #107
    Undividual
    Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Undividual


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    We can disambiguate all day. Argue syntax even. But bottom line is: OP got offended because a black lady showed up in a movie

    Did you not whinge earlier that I was not taking the full context into account? You've just done the exact same thing to me.

    I think the only PhD you'll be seeing will be on your psychiatrist's wall.


  • #108
    Sonic Youth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Ah yes. He wasn’t offended he only wrote about 10 paragraphs on why blacks shouldnt be in a movie lol

    Why do you constantly misinterpret what he said? He did not say blacks should not be in a movie, he questioned why black actors were cast to play roles that would not have existed in reality.


  • #109
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    Why do you constantly misinterpret what he said? He did not say blacks should not be in a movie, he questioned why black actors were cast to play roles that would not have existed in reality.

    ‘Roles that would not have existed in reality’

    You pretty much destroyed your own argument with that statement


  • #110
    Undividual
    Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Undividual


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    Why do you constantly misinterpret what he said? He did not say blacks should not be in a movie, he questioned why black actors were cast to play roles that would not have existed in reality.

    Lets not respond to him/her. I think that's enough energy spent acting in good faith when it hasnt been reciprocated.

    Night all! Don't let the skaterboii's (with 2 i's) biite.


  • #111
    Sonic Youth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ‘Roles that would not have existed in reality’

    You pretty much destroyed your own argument with that statement

    How so?


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  • #112
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Undividual wrote: »
    Did you not whinge earlier that I was not taking the full context into account? You've just done the exact same thing to me.

    I think the only PhD you'll be seeing will be on your psychiatrist's wall.

    Context: You went to see a movje thats being shilled on asian markets and thus had hired an asian actress. You then get offended by this.

    Me: Points out the literal real world reason for hiring minority actresses


  • #113
    Sonic Youth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    Undividual wrote: »
    Lets not respond to him/her. I think that's enough energy spent acting in good faith when it hasnt been reciprocated.

    Night all! Don't let the skaterboii's (with 2 i's) biite.

    Indeed. He's a bit of a sad case tbh. Pity he ruined the thread


  • #114
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    How so?

    Did an Irish american really explore china in 1100 AD and fight magical monsters? Or was matt damon playing a role?


  • #115
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    Indeed. He's a bit of a sad case tbh. Pity he ruined the thread

    Ah there you go again. The ‘sad case’ of someone disagreeing and demolishing your flawed viewpoints.

    Safe space ;(


  • #116
    Sonic Youth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Did an Irish american really explore china in 1100 AD and fight magical monsters? Or was matt damon playing a role?

    No idea what you're talking about. I will assume you'd have an issue with a white actor playing a Chinese Emperor in a historical drama, same as anyone.

    Good night friend.


  • #117
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    No idea what you're talking about. I will assume you'd have an issue with a white actor playing a Chinese Emperor in a historical drama, same as anyone.

    Good night friend.

    Did a black lady play mary the queen of scots?


  • #118
    tonycascarino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    I agree with the OP. It is actually the first thing I noticed in the trailer for the movie. Having black and asian actors is quite stupid as it does not depict history correctly. To me it is about as logical as getting white actors to act as Zulu warriors for example. The story should be told how it was and have characters in it how it really was, not trying to appease to people of certain ethnic backgrounds who weren't part of British history during that period.


  • #119
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    Why do you constantly misinterpret what he said? He did not say blacks should not be in a movie, he questioned why black actors were cast to play roles that would not have existed in reality.
    The answer to that question is obvious. The film is not supposed to be realistic. It's not documentary. It's not historical reconstruction. It's an intentionally modern take on historical events. And the filmmakers signal this by deliberate anachronisms, including racial ones.

    Exactly the same is true of the other film mentioned in the OP, The Favourite, although the conspicuous anachronisms there do not happen to have racial elements.

    If you're looking for realism or historical accuracy, neither of these films is for you. But, then, neither of them pretends to be; in fact they go out of their way to make that clear.


  • #120
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Undividual wrote: »
    Did you not whinge earlier that I was not taking the full context into account? You've just done the exact same thing to me.

    I think the only PhD you'll be seeing will be on your psychiatrist's wall.

    Just as an FYI, psychiatrists are a different type of doctor.


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  • #121
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,196 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Undividual wrote: »
    but it pretty much broke the 4th wall for me.

    Agreed - it's the movie (and director) hitting the audience over the head and shouting 'look how tolerant and progressive she is'.

    The movie has two great lead actors but I couldn't take it seriously.

    The scene where Mary and Elizabeth meet - which never actually happened in reality - was also seriously ham-fisted.

    You'd probably get a better discussion over the the Film Forum without the troll shouting 'racism'.


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