Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Dante7 wrote: »

I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect that there may be something fishy going on here. GSOC have already opened an investigation into the circumstances surrounding Fox's death.

There are two main theories. The first one, which seems to be the semi-official line, and which is being pushed by the likes of Paul Williams, is that Fox made a little mistake, such as messing up the ID process, and that he suffered some sort of mental breakdown over this.

The other story is that he became very seriously compromised after possibly giving the names of all involved in the Regency to the Byrne's and that this information came out and he may have been susceptible to blackmail from the Hutch side. I thought this was unlikely, but Sadie Byrne spoke very complimentary of Fox today.

The bizarre thing is if it is theory one and Det Fox made a mistake in the ID process then was this really enough for his mental health to degrade so bad to the point he committed suicide at his own desk in the Garda station? I feel that alone is a bit of a stretch and would wonder were other colleagues involved and was there arguments between them about ID'ing Hutch? Could it have been the case that some colleagues wanted to fit the suspect and do it quick given the fall out of the Regency attack but Det.Fox disagreed? Maybe then he was put under pressure by colleagues and he couldn't see anyway out?

On theory two- even more bizarre- if true then its saying Det.Fox was in the pay of the Kinahans/Byrnes and providing them intelligence. Its not an impossible scenario given that drug cartels are served well by paying off cops for information, it was only two weeks back that we saw evidence of this with the two Gardai arrested for giving the Rathkeale Rovers information. However nothing of Det.Fox's career to date would suggest he might have been on the take, by all accounts he was a very accomplished detective with a number of successes.

I'd tend to go with some variation of theory 1 but feel there must have been more to it that just Det.Fox realising he made a mistake and then him taking the nuclear option because of that alone. Either way I don't have much confidence we are ever going to know for sure.

Dante7 wrote: »

Hang on, let's deal with this assertion of yours that the Hutches do not receive Garda protection. It is nonsense. The overtime bill for the summerhill and sheriffer areas are off the charts. Patsy is probably the most protected person in Ireland. The reason why there is not the same level of Garda protection in Crumlin is because they have all absconded.

I said at the court.

Jeff2 wrote: »

Were you there because it didn't look like that.?

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1098183135236362240

Dante7 wrote: »

I am sure that the billion dollar cartel would have taken him out.

I don't think they are being backed any more because of the heat.
It others pushing this and I'm sure Kenahan would like the heat off.

GBX wrote: »

Saw a few wondering if there was a bike at the courts the other day

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1098528466021031936?s=19

There is video too.

Very interesting thread. My opinion is as stated on another similar thread. I feel very sorry for colm fox. I am sorry hes not still here. My sympathies extend to him and his family.

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

While watching that video the one thing that struck me was how calm the attackers appeared to be throughout the whole thing.

I think he's referring to the video of the Motorbike leaving the court.

Dante7 wrote: »

Hang on, let's deal with this assertion of yours that the Hutches do not receive Garda protection. It is nonsense. The overtime bill for the summerhill and sheriffer areas are off the charts. Patsy is probably the most protected person in Ireland. The reason why there is not the same level of Garda protection in Crumlin is because they have all absconded.

There must be a fairly high security presence around Jaws house no?

irishrover99 wrote: »

Where did they say the 3 AK-47s where found.
I can't believe that the hutch's would bring back 3 weapons like that to a house in Summerhill or anywhere in the city after the Regency attack
and then stay in the house with them.

Some fella was caught with them a few days after the attack, as far as I remember it was reported he had picked them up in a warehouse and was about to return them to the dissidents they were borrowed from, he was tried and convicted fairly quickly.

That CCTV footage is scary stuff and it's only going to inflame matters by being made public.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

At this stage we need to review who Ireland has admitted into the country.

As I’ve previously said please think carefully about your vote in the next election

Fg ff sf lab greens ppl before profit etc have no intention whatsoever of changing the current situation.

Limits your options severely so. National party or some Irexit faction? More sensible way is to engage in a reasonable but firm way with the ones you don't like and tell them what you don't like. It'll make you feel better and some of them might even listen.

realdanbreen wrote: »

There must be a fairly high security presence around Jaws house no?

From what I can see there is no obvious security presence. I have worked near it regularly in the past few months and have not seen a garda car once. But thats not to say there is no covert protection going on. Plus if rumors are to be believed, the Byrnes have young spotters left, right and centre of that area. I am sure Jaws will be fine.

Dante7 wrote: »

What? The court was surrounded by police in a huge operation. Patsy on his bike was managed and led in and out. He could have gone back to Champions Ave or anywhere else and he was grand. Up the north with Mago most likely and then off to Turkey or Czech.

Jeff2 wrote: »

Were you there because it didn't look like that.?

The guards would have known for at least a week that this trial was going to collapse, probably more. In that time they let Patrick Hutch know of a threat against his life, and they would have been making policing plans for the days, weeks and months after his release.
Like another poster said there is no way they would have left an unknown waiting on a motorbike outside the courts. Whoever it was driving the bike, the guards knew, it would have been planned beforehand and they likely got protection to and from the courts at least until they were out of the city.