UFC 262: Oliveira vs. Chandler

RulesOfNature · 16-05-2021 5:42am

HOLY F*CKING ****.

FileNotFound · 16-05-2021 5:42am

Wow did not see that end coming.

eagle eye · 16-05-2021 5:43am

Wow, well that was five minutes if lightning in a bottle.

I want a rematch.

Axwell · 16-05-2021 5:43am

Great first round, Oliveira did well do weather those punches towards the end and then come out and finish it so early in the second.

MidlanderMan · 16-05-2021 5:44am

that left check hook was ****ing beautiful.

RulesOfNature · 16-05-2021 5:50am

Good on Oliviera. Chandler is the real deal. No one can dispute Oliviera now. I wish he'd fought Khabib, however.

Zero-Cool · 16-05-2021 8:46am

Just shows Chandler can be a real problem and still in the mix, beautiful by Charles!!

Mellor · 16-05-2021 9:04am

eagle eye wrote: »

It's very sad to see Tony like this, he's a shadow of the fighter he was before covid.

And lots of people are going to overrate Dariush after this, just like they have Oliveira.

eagle eye wrote: »

You are way overrating Dariush. He's not that good, he's facing an old man here who's done..

I think you're trying way to hard to undermine Dariush's win by crapping on Tony. And yes I'm aware you picked Dariush in betting. That just means you thought he'd win, as most of us did.

What's this pre-covid Tony all about? When exactly was this prime Tony?
He fought exactly like he's always fought imo. Which is to say sloppy, unorthodox, and making a few errors. He's always got away with it against lesser opponents and scrapped a win. He's ability hasn't disappeared by a massive degree. He's simply fighting in the top 5 recently, and getting punished for those mistakes.

I've said he's overrated for years. People remembered the win streak. and forget the times he was nearly finished in the first.

Mellor · 16-05-2021 9:19am

RulesOfNature wrote: »

Good on Oliviera. Chandler is the real deal.

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Just shows Chandler can be a real problem and still in the mix, beautiful by Charles!!

after the Hooker fight we all knew Chandler was dangerous, especially in rd 1 with his explosive power.
But I think this fight confirmed that he simple succeeds by being a wrestler throwing powerful overhands and lacks a lot of MMA fundamentals.

He turned the wrong way and gave up his back very easily in round one. That's a real early 2000s wrestler mistake. Obviously it happens when guys are rocked, or misdirected into it. But that seamed unforced.

And the finish sequence. When Charles stepped in with the knee feint. He dropped his hands. And they weren't very high to begin with. You need to be a very technically skilled striker to pull that guard off. That's not Chandler.

derfderf · 16-05-2021 10:31am

Great fight, and delighted for Olivera. Seems to be a super nice person.
Does anyone really think these are the best two in the division fighting for top spot though?

Tazzimus · 16-05-2021 10:37am

RulesOfNature wrote: »

Good on Oliviera. Chandler is the real deal. No one can dispute Oliviera now. I wish he'd fought Khabib, however.

Khabib would have murdered him.

mailburner · 16-05-2021 10:54am

Chandler handled the loss well but he has to be raging with himself

A few shots possibly from finishing charles and had that last minute of so of
round one been standing I think he'd have got the finish

mailburner · 16-05-2021 10:56am

derfderf wrote: »

Great fight, and delighted for Olivera. Seems to be a super nice person.
Does anyone really think these are the best two in the division fighting for top spot though?

I fancy Dustin or Justin against against either of those guys

derfderf · 16-05-2021 11:14am

mailburner wrote: »

I fancy Dustin or Justin against against either of those guys

That's what I was thinking. At the least.
I know it's rare to have two guys fighting for an unclaimed belt, but it's even rarer to say neither are the best. I would say Olivera deserved the fight though, he handled everything put in front of him.

Mellor · 16-05-2021 11:50am

derfderf wrote: »

Does anyone really think these are the best two in the division fighting for top spot though?

I don't think anyone thinks that. But they are in the top 6, and they were the only 2 in the top 6 coming off a win other than Dustin.

It would have been Dustin v Oliveira. Which would have been the best two guys on wins imo.

mailburner wrote: »

I fancy Dustin or Justin against either of those guys

I'd fancy Dustin against both.
I fancy Justin against Chandler. I think that's the fight to make next at the top of the division.

akelly02 · 16-05-2021 11:52am

RulesOfNature wrote: »

I put 5 grand on ferguson. He's made me more than twenty times that in the past. But its time he hung his gloves. Its over. He's too weak, too slow, too old.

Just had the 20grand on dariush myself

Brussels Sprout · 16-05-2021 12:25pm

Outstanding main event. That first round was possibly the craziest single round of a title fight that I can remember.

That finishing sequence starting from the point at which Chandler was rocked and with his back to the cage was so reminiscent of McGregor-Mendes at UFC 189. Just the way that Chandler was trying to get away, moving backwards along the fence with a pained expression and Oliviera landed flush to knock him down again before finishing him with a flurry of punches.

DmanDmythDledge · 16-05-2021 12:29pm

Agree with a few of the posts above that these aren't the two best guys in the division. Justin, Gaethje and Mcgregor would beat them all comfortably. Entertaining fight but very lacking in quality considering it was a title fight

mailburner · 16-05-2021 12:40pm

DmanDmythDledge wrote: »

Agree with a few of the posts above that these aren't the two best guys in the division. Justin, Gaethje and Mcgregor would beat them all comfortably. Entertaining fight but very lacking in quality considering it was a title fight

Not sure this version of him would beat anyone of them right now unless he
shows significant improvement in the rematch.

DmanDmythDledge · 16-05-2021 12:50pm

Remains to be seen how good he is going to be but what he showed against Poirier would have been sufficient to be either of those two I thought

eagle eye · 16-05-2021 1:39pm

Mellor wrote:

I think you're trying way to hard to undermine Dariush's win by crapping on Tony. And yes I'm aware you picked Dariush in betting. That just means you thought he'd win, as most of us did.

What's this pre-covid Tony all about? When exactly was this prime Tony? He fought exactly like he's always fought imo. Which is to say sloppy, unorthodox, and making a few errors. He's always got away with it against lesser opponents and scrapped a win. He's ability hasn't disappeared by a massive degree. He's simply fighting in the top 5 recently, and getting punished for those mistakes.

I've said he's overrated for years. People remembered the win streak. and forget the times he was nearly finished in the first.

Ferguson was immense and yes you can question just how good those he fought were to a certain extent but that's not his fault.

As regards Dariush who you seem to like. Whose the best he's fought? Would it be Barboza who knocked him out or Chiesa who subbed him? Has he fought anybody better than those two?

Mellor · 16-05-2021 2:05pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Ferguson was immense...

When was this? What fight are you talking about?

His streak was impressive, but he scrap through a lot of them fights. I think he created a myth about him. People talk about his elite 10th planet BJJ. When he was a brownbelt who did some crazy **** in lieu of fundamentals.

and yes you can question just how good those he fought were to a certain extent but that's not his fault.

I'm not questioning how good those guys are.
I'm questioning Tony's performances in those fights. Which is his fault.

As regards Dariush who you seem to like. Whose the best he's fought? Would it be Barboza who knocked him out or Chiesa who subbed him? Has he fought anybody better than those two?

You are talking about fights there were 4 and 5 years ago.

But I supposed the best guy he has fought is the Tony Ferguson. He mauled him for 3 rounds, and wrecked his knee with a heel hook. I expect to see Dariush in the top 5 during the week when the rankings are next updated.

Dariush's grappling credentials are far far better than Tony's. He would have outgrappled him at any point of the last decade.

Porthallian · 16-05-2021 2:28pm

eagle eye wrote: »

And lots of people are going to overrate Dariush after this, just like they have Oliveira.

So not only is Dariush overrated, but so is Oliveira? As in, the new UFC Lightweight Champion? Okay.

eagle eye · 16-05-2021 2:36pm

Mellor wrote:

But I supposed the best guy he has fought is the Tony Ferguson. He mauled him for 3 rounds, and wrecked his knee with a heel hook. I expect to see Dariush in the top 5 during the week when the rankings are next updated.

Tony is done, that's been clear since the Gaethje fight.
He's not close to the same level as he was.
You are overrating Dariush.
And Ferguson beat the same Barboza who ko'd Dariush.

eagle eye · 16-05-2021 2:38pm

Porthallian wrote:

So not only is Dariush overrated, but so is Oliveira? As in, the new UFC Lightweight Champion? Okay.

Whose he beaten? Gaethje, Poirier, McGregor?
He's beaten Tony who looks done and Chandler who looks quite ordinary.

RulesOfNature · 16-05-2021 2:44pm

Was wondering why Beneil let go of Tony’s leg instead of submitting then at the interview Beneil said he heard it POP. Jesus christ.

He took about 50 headshots from Gaethje. Had his arm turn inside out by Oliviera. Then Beneil thought it was over cause he heard his leg pop.

Tony is supernaturally tough. Cardio and athleticism faded but he’s still the boogieman.

Homelander · 16-05-2021 4:11pm

Good card though it's hard to watch Tony's last few fights. He's done at this stage and heading down the Cowboy route.

Main event was solid. I was wondering though why Chandler didn't let Olivera back up and try and finish him standing after wobbling him. I get the ground and pound, but it became clearly after a very short time that it wasn't going to work.

Great shot by Olivera though. Chandler was rocked hard by that hook. Really interested in seeing the next fights for both, Chandler more so actually.

Mellor · 16-05-2021 4:23pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Tony is done, that's been clear since the Gaethje fight.
He's not close to the same level as he was.
You are overrating Dariush.
And Ferguson beat the same Barboza who ko'd Dariush.

You keep saying he done, but you won’t name a fight where he was immense.
He’s faded a bit. He was never as good as you’re making out.

Im overrating Dariush at #5 (after the obvious Champ and top 4)?
Where would you put him? Where you you put Tony.
You’re entitled to your opinion. As anyone is. But surely you can back it up?

eagle eye · 16-05-2021 4:39pm

Mellor wrote:

Im overrating Dariush at #5 (after the obvious Champ and top 4)? Where would you put him? Where you you put Tony. Youâ€™re entitled to your opinion. As anyone is. But surely you can back it up?

If Dariush is 5 and Oliveira and Chandler are ahead of him the division is on a bad state.
Right now for me the top fighters on the division are Poirier, Gaethje and RDA.
I'd personally rate Mackhachev and Gillespie as next best after those three.

MidlanderMan · 16-05-2021 5:18pm

eagle eye wrote: »

If Dariush is 5 and Oliveira and Chandler are ahead of him the division is on a bad state.
Right now for me the top fighters on the division are Poirier, Gaethje and RDA.
I'd personally rate Mackhachev and Gillespie as next best after those three.

Gillespie got beat by Kevin Lee who's been on a massive slide, not one win of note.

Who the feck has Mackhachev beaten?

UFC 262: Oliveira vs. Chandler

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