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Vatican issues document rejecting idea that people can choose or change gender

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  • #122
    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    "Vatican rejects idea people can choose or change genders"
    Fair's fair!
    "People reject idea Vatican can choose or change breads"


  • #123
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    klaaaz wrote: »
    What's so amusing about transgender people that causes you to laugh at them?

    Didn't say I laughed at them either.
    Brendan O'Carroll pretends to be a woman and I certainly don't laugh at him.

    Men in drag have always been the subject of comedy especially old BBC material.
    Comedy can be something that's too incredible / ridiculous to fully accept.


  • #124
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Didn't say I laughed at them either.
    Brendan O'Carroll pretends to be a woman and I certainly don't laugh at him.

    Men in drag have always been the subject of comedy especially old BBC material.
    Comedy can be something that's too incredible / ridiculous to fully accept.

    Drag is not transgender.


  • #125
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Drag is not transgender.

    But throw in some hormones and a few snips from a surgeon and what's the difference?


  • #126
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    the culture of deference wrote: »
    What can you say anymore about the RCC. They are just determined to destroy themselves from the inside. Remember they control our schools.

    The Vatican has issued an official document rejecting the idea that people can choose or change their genders and insisting on the sexual “complementarity” of men and women to make babies.

    Pope Francis has repeatedly argued the position that people cannot choose their genders.
    The document called for a new alliance among families, schools and society to offer a “positive and prudent sexual education” in Catholic schools so children learn the “full original truth of masculinity and femininity”.

    It called gender fluidity a symptom of the “confused concept of freedom” and “momentary desires” that characterise post-modern culture.

    It rejected terms such as “intersex” and “transgender” and said the purpose of the biological “complementarity” of the male and female sex organs was to ensure procreation.






    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/vatican-rejects-idea-people-can-choose-or-change-genders-1.3921015

    Thank God. Some common sense at last.


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  • #127
    branie2
    Registered Users Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    Thank God. Some common sense at last.

    bigotry, actually


  • #128
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    branie2 wrote: »
    bigotry, actually

    Ah give over man. Lots of us are sick to death of listening to this crap.

    Live and let live my hole.


  • #129
    branie2
    Registered Users Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    And lots of us are sick of hearing about transgender people being called mentally ill, when they're actually not.


  • #130
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    branie2 wrote: »
    And lots of us are sick of hearing about transgender people being called mentally ill, when they're actually not.

    Wow. Go them.


  • #131
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 9,949 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    branie2 wrote: »
    And lots of us are sick of hearing about transgender people being called mentally ill, when they're actually not.

    Gender dysphoria is a recognised mental illness


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  • #132
    branie2
    Registered Users Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    not by the WHO though


  • #133
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 9,949 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    branie2 wrote: »
    not by the WHO though

    It was in the DSM for decades until activists lobbied to have it removed.


  • #134
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    branie2 wrote: »
    And lots of us are sick of hearing about transgender people being called mentally ill, when they're actually not.

    Where do you think their dysphoria resides? In their liver?


  • #135
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Dante7 wrote: »
    Where do you think their dysphoria resides? In their liver?
    Why not treat them just with psychiatric drugs so? It's part of it yes but recognised medically that it's not the full story.


  • #136
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    It was in the DSM for decades until activists lobbied to have it removed.
    This is the exact same claim that people have made in the past about homosexuality being removed from the dsm... A working group concluded that moving to gender identity disorder and keeping the classification to maintain supports for the affected person made the most sense. Nothing to do with lobbyists, just that knowledge has changed.
    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Where did I say laughed at and mocked ?
    There's a difference between regarding someone with amusement and laughing/mocking them to their face.

    At most, I don't like the social media attacks on peoples reputation/career when the trans activists target them.

    Some of the adjectives you leak like bitterness and sad are actually quite telling, you're projecting your own feelings.

    In fairness, the fact you're amused by people who are transgender or have tourettes is a terrible reflection upon you...


  • #137
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    Believe it or not,.. there are millions upon MILLIONS of people who agree with and follow the Catholic churches teachings and believes. Spin that and twist that whatever way you want. It's not gonna change. Amen.


  • #138
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ok. (Prepares to be annihilated!)

    This old Fogey can't keep up with all the definitions of sexuality that keep appearing.

    *raises hand*

    Me too

    Urban dictionary is handy for all the unfamiliar words

    America today, rest of world tomorrow


  • #139
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Believe it or not,.. there are millions upon MILLIONS of people who agree with and follow the Catholic churches teachings and believes. Spin that and twist that whatever way you want. It's not gonna change. Amen.

    But very few in Ireland that will blindly follow everything as demonstrated by last two referendums.


  • #140
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Hobosan wrote: »
    Have you accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior?

    That’s more Protestant tbh


  • #141
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    batgoat wrote: »
    In fairness, the fact you're amused by people who are transgender or have tourettes is a terrible reflection upon you...

    I'm also amused by your opinion of me and give it the same level of credibility and respect.


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  • #142
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    I'm also amused by your opinion of me and give it the same level of credibility and respect.

    Ignorance is nothing to be proud of.


  • #143
    Ruraldweller56
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ruraldweller56


    batgoat wrote: »
    This is the exact same claim that people have made in the past about homosexuality being removed from the dsm... A working group concluded that moving to gender identity disorder and keeping the classification to maintain supports for the affected person made the most sense. Nothing to do with lobbyists, just that knowledge has changed.



    In fairness, the fact you're amused by people who are transgender or have tourettes is a terrible reflection upon you...

    Definitely nothing to be amused about.


  • #144
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Ignorance is nothing to be proud of.

    It's not.
    But I am well informed and capable of making up my own mind on the subject.
    Ruraldweller56 wrote: »
    Definitely nothing to be amused about.

    People slipping on banana peels, cars being caught in the bus lane by the guards,
    men wearing dresses, peoples pant splitting... it's all in the same ballpark.


  • #145
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    It's not.
    But I am well informed and capable of making up my own mind on the subject.



    People slipping on banana peels, cars being caught in the bus lane by the guards,
    men wearing dresses, peoples pant splitting... it's all in the same ballpark.

    People who have Tourettes are like people who slip on banana peels? People who identify as a different gender are too? Even though it's a very real thing... You sound neither well informed or like a nice person..


  • #146
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    batgoat wrote: »
    You sound neither well informed or like a nice person..

    Demonizing people with other opinions is a classic denial tactic.
    Don't forgot to throw in "transphobe" too.
    Or maybe rebrand it to "trans-denier" as it hooks into the legitimacy of other terms like anti-vaxxers, anti-evolutionists and holocaust-deniers.

    As a man I know no procedure on earth will transform me into a woman regardless of whatever self image I might have.


  • #147
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Demonizing people with other opinions is a classic denial tactic.
    Don't forgot to throw in "transphobe" too.
    Or maybe rebrand it to "trans-denier" as it hooks into the legitimacy of other terms like anti-vaxxers, anti-evolutionists and holocaust-deniers.

    As a man I know no procedure on earth will transform me into a woman regardless of whatever self image I might have.

    You're the guy who says he's amused by both transgender and people with Tourettes... I'm literally just saying how your statements come across...


  • #148
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    batgoat wrote: »
    You're the guy who says he's amused by both transgender and people with Tourettes... I'm literally just saying how your statements come across...

    Welcome to human nature 101, at least for most men.
    Don't read the newspapers you'd probably faint in shock.


  • #149
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Welcome to human nature 101, at least for most men.
    Don't read the newspapers you'd probably faint in shock.

    Cool, I'll just leave it at. I don't treat vulnerable people as objects of amusement. It's a pretty cruel view to take.


  • #150
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Welcome to human nature 101, at least for most men.
    Don't read the newspapers you'd probably faint in shock.

    So says the person offended by people with tourettes or anyone who is different to his mighty wonderful self.


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  • #151
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    batgoat wrote: »
    Cool, I'll just leave it at. I don't treat vulnerable people as objects of amusement.

    I don't treat them as objects of amusement either.
    There's a difference between opinions and behavior.
    klaaaz wrote: »
    So says the person offended by people with tourettes or anyone who is different to his mighty wonderful self.

    I'm not offended by trans in general at all, only the trans activists who target people, celebrities even those in the health care sector who don't subscribe to their doctrine. People has lost contracts, jobs, businesses damaged etc.

    Using social media and the legal system as a weapon against them.


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