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14-11-2020, 21:26   #46
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If we indulge the fantasy of a catastrophic civil war, I could see California and New York seceding, and staying out of the mess. Their economies are big enough and independent enough not to need the other states, so self preservation would kick in. California might take Oregon and Washington with them. They already have the “Western States Pact.” - which is only a loose agreement on how to handle Covid 19 restrictions, but it shows they’re working together on some level as a unit. Would NY take NJ and New England with them? I think the real mess would be in the rest of the states. No other country would get involved, they’d be let fight it out. Russia might cast its eye at Alaska, and some distant pacific territory might be tempting to China, if they felt they could take advantage of the situation under the guise of peace keeping.

But look, it’s not going to come to this. A bit of protesting and rioting, at most, and then it’ll fizzle out. Even if it did get worse, the US military is too strong to allow an actual civil war (assuming it doesn’t split into two factions, but it won’t.). Anyone rising up against them would be crushed. This business of a “well armed militia” to guard against an authoritarian government - or anything else - is nonsense. No amount of action men with assault rifles will defend against the national guard, let alone the gear the of the combined army, navy, airforce and marines.

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14-11-2020, 22:16   #47
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Well yeah, obviously they need "the help"
Which, of course, says more about you etc.
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14-11-2020, 22:28   #48
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If America implodes (e.g. via Civil war), who will come to her aid
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Let's hope that does not happen because stock markets would crash, oil would drop and it would be very bad for all of us economically.
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The only thing Ireland could do is send a Christmas card ffs. We have zero military input to offer.

Suppose we could ask Christy to write a song.
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To be quite honest, if it did implode, it's so heavily armed that I think it might be impossible for anyone to come to its aid. It'd be more likely a case of securing the Canadian border.

I have my doubts that it would ever come to that though. At worst, I think you could be heading for a situation of a lot of risks of domestic terrorism, and a security situation perhaps comparable to the Troubles.

I've a feeling though that it *might* blow over, but then again I was wrong on Brexit and Trump being elected, so who knows.

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It wont implode anytime soon after this speech by army chiefs commissioner

https://twitter.com/i/status/1327620048639451139
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19-11-2020, 18:58   #53
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It wont implode anytime soon after this speech by army chiefs commissioner

https://twitter.com/i/status/1327620048639451139
The first thing I said after watching that last week was "Shots fired" we are not your army we the country's army
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The first thing I said after watching that last week was "Shots fired" we are not your army we the country's army
It was definitely a not so subtle hint to Trump that he does not have the backing of the military if he attempts to take things to the extreme.
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I dare say it will settle down around June after the grumbling. What is interesting is who will run for president next term.

If someone had to step in, probably Canada and then the UK.
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Send in the Australian Special Forces. That will sort them out.
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America has been divided before. It's always had a rich poor divide. It's got lots of racial division that goes deep and for centuries. Politically, talking roughly of course, 50 % vote Democrat, 50% vote Republican.There's a north south divide and a west east divide. Civil strife? The 1960's were no cakewalk. While one part of the nation was putting men on the moon, other parts were rioting on the streets, others were blowing the crap out of rice farmers in South East Asia. Nixon didn't exactly inspire confidence with the population and then was kicked out. In the lead up to WW2 a large percentage of Americans wanted no part of it until a few Japanese lads driving Mitsubishis dropped a few bangers on their ships. So trump while an obvious and dangerous oaf is now out of there and after some gnashing of teeth it'll settle down to being the huge behemoth of a nation divided all over the place convincing itself it isn't.
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If America was to implode, let's say via a civil war, who will come to her rescue?

I'll say the Ireland and UK.

...Or can it ever implode? every nation has a connection there. a war in America, is a world war surely.
Aye, cos both Ireland and the Brits are like world powers to sort out the US.

America isn't going to implode any time soon.
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Am I the only one to notice the empty chair on the right side ,and a big event for army and no sign of the commander in chief
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Did you not notice the General getting out of the chair?
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