Beefplan producer groups?

oldsmokey wrote: »

I understand theres two? Why? Did corley go out on his own? Hes pushing emerald isle po fairly hard..its is all cloaked in secrecy regarding regarding price..which i kinda undrrstand, but is nonsense considering beef is on its knees on account of.....price!
Without breaching any state secrets, can anyone here advise if these groups offer a useful increase on what the grabber factories are giving? Prices on cows any good? Bonuses for pedigrees?
Im a bit pissed off, i got emerald isle whatsapp this morning urging me to join, with plenty conditions if i do, sfa on why it might be good for me.. ta.

Individual farmers haven't a hope against the factories, I'm in a lamb group and the guy with 5 lambs gets the same as 500.
It's going to take a while to get going and depends on loyalty and rome wasn't built in a day,buy I'd be surprised if small producers were worse off by joining.
You needn't think it's going to be easy. Processors divide up producer groups the same asall suppliers they deal with, I doubt they'll compete too much for groups when supply settles down

is it not a bit of a contradiction to look for transparency from factorys then setup a producer's group that wont divulge any price info or details till your payed up and commited?..someone will profit out of it but cant see it being the farmer

greysides wrote: »

Reading these comments as an outsider I am left wondering about the usefulness of producer groups. If the factories share them out amongst themselves and require secrecy on price it seems to me they are still in control by proxy. The groups members may get a slightly better price but that token only to set them up as a separate, competing, body against their fellow farmers which are not members of a group.

Basically, 'divide and conquer'. That's life .... but in the context of a national effort taken to improve the situation for all, that's defeat.

First off it will take 12-18months before producer groups start to make a difference. In time advance pricing 3-6months in advance will come in. This will force up the winter price over time as lads will no longer gamble. Producer groups should allow the AA and HE scheme get national base prices for these type of cattle.especially for the pre booked higher priced seasons.
Producer groups will have there own agents so processor's will have less access to on the ground intelligence gathering. They will also be able to get the higher prices that larger finisher's have access to .producer groups will also show up market manipulation with the use of processor owned feedlots if the price that these get is way out of line with ordinary farmer price's

wrangler wrote: »

Beef plan put a lot of false information out there winding up people. they don't seem to have to back up anything.

A bit like upwards only convergence by the IFA

Bass Reeves wrote: »

A bit like upwards only convergence by the IFA

The new European Agri Commisioner kicked off his tenure today by pushing for an increased CAP budget...

Seems not only IFA pushing for it..

Base price wrote: »

Bass I envy your stalwart commitment to the Beef Plan and it's producer group - although time will tell of their merits.
As I have previously posted and ranted about since joining Boards - we need an independent, international, approved body to oversee, check and verify the VIA (Video Imagining Analysis) machines used in factories. NSAI are the only International/EU approved organisation with the required certification/accreditation to do so. I'm sure that DAFM inspectors do their best but we have no idea if they have International/EU training/accreditation.

I wonder did any TD ask this question in the Dail.
https://www.nsai.ie/legal-metrology/enforcement-information/inspection-types/

You're dead right Base..if these cattle were sold on a weight certificate of a weigh bridge, it would be NSAI certified periodically. It's incredible, if they are not so, that the factory grading machines are not NSAI verified..

Base price wrote: »

Bass I envy your stalwart commitment to the Beef Plan and it's producer group - although time will tell of their merits.
As I have previously posted and ranted about since joining Boards - we need an independent, international, approved body to oversee, check and verify the VIA (Video Imagining Analysis) machines used in factories. NSAI are the only International/EU approved organisation with the required certification/accreditation to do so. I'm sure that DAFM inspectors do their best but we have no idea if they have International/EU training/accreditation.

I wonder did any TD ask this question in the Dail.
https://www.nsai.ie/legal-metrology/enforcement-information/inspection-types/

First off producer groups set up are independent of BP. They are set up be BP members but are separate entities. You do not need to be members of this organization to join. I am disappointed that neither IFA, ICMSA or ICSA have set up PG's.

I agree entirely that the grading machines need proper oversight Expecting dept officers to challenge a electronic machine. If nothing else it is possible that there is very few AO that have actually worked on the old grading around now. No AO could afford to make the mistake of challenging the complete grading in a factory. He would probably never work in that area again if proved slightly wrong.