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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • #92
    Downtown123
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭Downtown123


    Regarding fr4854. The semen went though all the usual tests and flew through. It was even sent to Germany according to last weeks journal and passed there. Tbf, its just one of those things i'd say.
    Tbf there's so many bulls out there now that spreading the risk is an easy task, especially if DIY AI and not tied to one station.
    He wasn't even that good a bull...
    I know it would be seriously annoying but there have been many people paid big money for stock bulls without results as well!
    Some people love to knock down NCBC whenever they get a chance.... milk recording, triplestar,etc. (btw I've no ties to them just get sick of the same fellas complaining the whole time about them)


  • #93
    atlantic mist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    whelan2 wrote: »
    I used 4728, checked ai book there alot of repeats to him. I will ring ai man tomorrow. These would have been fresh straws. Very obvious the repeats when you look at the book.

    that was pivital he was used a lot down here, avg results for conception


  • #94
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,058 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Downtown123 wrote: »
    Regarding fr4854. The semen went though all the usual tests and flew through. It was even sent to Germany according to last weeks journal and passed there. Tbf, its just one of those things i'd say.
    Tbf there's so many bulls out there now that spreading the risk is an easy task, especially if DIY AI and not tied to one station.
    He wasn't even that good a bull...
    I know it would be seriously annoying but there have been many people paid big money for stock bulls without results as well!
    Some people love to knock down NCBC whenever they get a chance.... milk recording, triplestar,etc. (btw I've no ties to them just get sick of the same fellas complaining the whole time about them)

    Are u sure in that ,triple star never mentioned nor ncbc in praticular nor milk recording ........
    Anyway to me the fault is with icbf snd how these figures are generated faults have been discovered before and in my opinion there’s another one lurking away there now (fertility score calculation )ai companies pump huge money into these bulls and its them who have to carry most of the flak when bills go wrong ..we’ve too many proof runs and too many base changes ,also advice keeps changing on how many bulls to use u simply can’t have faith in something like this far too many duds comming thru and there figures tank when stock start hitting the ground .caveat emptor ....


  • #95
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Are u sure in that ,triple star never mentioned nor ncbc in praticular nor milk recording ........
    Anyway to me the fault is with icbf snd how these figures are generated faults have been discovered before and in my opinion there’s another one lurking away there now (fertility score calculation )ai companies pump huge money into these bulls and its them who have to carry most of the flak when bills go wrong ..we’ve too many proof runs and too many base changes ,also advice keeps changing on how many bulls to use u simply can’t have faith in something like this far too many duds comming thru and there figures tank when stock start hitting the ground .caveat emptor ....

    When sourcing bulls here from abroad their initial ebi for fertility is always crap, given i only use bulls that have really good fertility for their country of origin figures, it always transpires after a few proof runs these bulls ebi usually jumps 80-100 euro for fertility, happened with batman and yamaska would be the most relavant examples, batman was the most glaring example going from -29 to 76 in a few proof runs
    the thing is their genomic scores for their country of origin didnt change for fertility, so wtf is going on with the irish system its so far out the first proof run and then magical corrects itself in cases where their is no new data to influence the initial ebi proof, its not logicial


  • #96
    mickey1985
    Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭mickey1985


    Lads anyone on this pit in a dairy geyser? I'm undecided whether to go with that or put in gas for water heating. Gas is 2500 to install. Can't see much information on anyone who put in a geyser


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  • #97
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭alps


    mickey1985 wrote: »
    Lads anyone on this pit in a dairy geyser? I'm undecided whether to go with that or put in gas for water heating. Gas is 2500 to install. Can't see much information on anyone who put in a geyser

    Have no idea how good they are, however their documentation relating to savings to be made are farcical.


  • #98
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,058 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    alps wrote: »
    Have no idea how good they are, however their documentation relating to savings to be made are farcical.

    I thought same for what it’s worth I’m sticking with my normal heater have it in timer for when doing hot washes timer switch on at 1 am off at 7’cznt see any reason to drop few grand on gas,geyser or solar


  • #99
    Sacrolyte
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    What’s the crack with this “Tag threshold” for calf registrations. Hope it’s not the Green Party been sneaky trying to cut cow numbers.


  • #100
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,055 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    atlantic mist wrote: »
    that was pivital he was used a lot down here, avg results for conception

    Ai man said 4728 is still available and he hasnt heard of any complaints until I rang him.


  • #101
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Ugh. F*cking scc gone up to 177 from 76. I'll have to strip them in the morning now. I have a few that kick the sh1te out of me every time I have to do it.


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  • #102
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    How many units and how many cows? Liners may be due a change possibly? Could just be the one cow to cause an increase like that. Have you recorded this year yet?


  • #103
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,024 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Grueller wrote: »
    Ugh. F*cking scc gone up to 177 from 76. I'll have to strip them in the morning now. I have a few that kick the sh1te out of me every time I have to do it.

    It could be 76 again the next collection and ne'r a cow touched..


  • #104
    Acquiescence
    Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Acquiescence


    Grueller wrote: »
    Ugh. F*cking scc gone up to 177 from 76. I'll have to strip them in the morning now. I have a few that kick the sh1te out of me every time I have to do it.

    Depending on amount of cows you'd be lucky to see a clinical presentation with that jump I'd say.

    Would you be aswell off paddle testing whatever was showing as high in the last recording and then strip them all if the next bulk sample is high?


  • #105
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Say my name wrote: »
    It could be 76 again the next collection and ne'r a cow touched..

    Ya I milked them two hours early on Sunday and they were fair agitated over it. Could be the cause.


  • #106
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,024 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Grueller wrote: »
    Ya I milked them two hours early on Sunday and they were fair agitated over it. Could be the cause.

    Leave it and see the next test then would my advice.

    Now if you posted 400. Then it's a different story.


  • #107
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭straight


    I strip them every milking. Love the hardship.


  • #108
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭straight


    Sacrolyte wrote: »
    What’s the crack with this “Tag threshold” for calf registrations. Hope it’s not the Green Party been sneaky trying to cut cow numbers.

    I'd say not. They're just going to remove us from the land through designations. Ah well.


  • #109
    Sacrolyte
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    straight wrote: »
    I'd say not. They're just going to remove us from the land through designations. Ah well.

    Might do us a favour


  • #110
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,024 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    They'll all be breeding Fleckviehs here now.:)
    153k for a polled Fleckvieh bull.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3138885316204438&id=571066442986351&anchor_composer=false


  • #111
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Some may be interested

    https://twitter.com/irishgrassland/status/1282740869473415168?s=21

    The hour this evening was very interesting, good event


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  • #112
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Mooooo wrote: »
    The hour this evening was very interesting, good event

    Interesting grenade thrown by Conor Creedon, the ground he limes in the Autumn is the land he goes to first in spring:D


  • #113
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »
    Interesting grenade thrown by Conor Creedon, the ground he limes in the Autumn is the land he goes to first in spring:D

    That's what you want it hear is lads own experiences too. Slurry out on silage ground picked up Tues, was gonna go with urea next week and perhaps lime the week after if weather plays ball.


  • #114
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Mooooo wrote: »
    The hour this evening was very interesting, good event

    Am I missing something or is there no link on that tweet?
    I'm a member and I wasn't sent any link???


  • #115
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,024 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »
    Interesting grenade thrown by Conor Creedon, the ground he limes in the Autumn is the land he goes to first in spring:D

    If you can get biology going and going deeper into your soil. It'll hold more moisture and be more free draining if that makes sense.

    There was a man told me his son did a stint on a silage harvester in New Zealand. One instance there was a thirty minute downpour of an inch and a half of rain. The crew had to stop. But an hour later they could start up again. The volcanic soil just soaked up the water no run off. Said you could actually hear the water going down into the soil.

    I'll have to get my hands on these tests.
    In my eyes they'll be the only soil test that will matter a damn to the farmer.
    It's a test to see how much (in teagasc talk) soil nitrogen mineralization your soil is doing. It'll also show how management is going.

    https://solvita.com/co2-burst/


  • #116
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,024 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Am I missing something or is there no link on that tweet?
    I'm a member and I wasn't sent any link???

    Here.

    https://youtu.be/d1lVk2etTBI


  • #117
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »
    Interesting grenade thrown by Conor Creedon, the ground he limes in the Autumn is the land he goes to first in spring:D
    Why is that a "grenade"?
    Lime generally flushes nutrients from the soil so it would make sense that there would be a corresponding flush of growth.


  • #118
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Am I missing something or is there no link on that tweet?
    I'm a member and I wasn't sent any link???

    It was on the website and on agriland as well as social media I think.


  • #119
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,024 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Why is that a "grenade"?
    Lime generally flushes nutrients from the soil so it would make sense that there would be a corresponding flush of growth.

    People forget though being a ground up rock dust. That it's now in a form available to biology. So it feeds bacteria. And that bacteria gets eaten by that bacteria and that fungi and so on. So you'll get nitrogen release just from the biological increase.


  • #120
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Why is that a "grenade"?
    Lime generally flushes nutrients from the soil so it would make sense that there would be a corresponding flush of growth.

    It was more in response to the belief that it can make ground difficult in wet weather and he said he was in paddocks first the following spring following aut application


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  • #121
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Mooooo wrote: »
    It was more in response to the belief that it can make ground difficult in wet weather and he said he was in paddocks first the following spring following aut application

    If going with calcium lime youll have zero issues, but mag lime like roadstone have is a big no no if on wet heavy ground


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