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Indian Caste system horrors

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  • #62
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    jasper100 wrote: »
    Some monkey with "professor" before his name just got 250000€ to have his body recovered but the real hardship cases go ignored.

    Says it all.



    Does it? Whatever about the fukwitery of GFM appeals. Here an account of 3 climbers from India (and far from wealthy imo) - whose bodies were recovered from Everest and repatriated to their families - much of the cost being covered by the Bengali goverment.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/18/sports/everest-deaths.html


  • #63
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Perhaps India offers one of the brightest hopes within Asia.

    New PM (Modi) comes from the OBC (Other backwards cast) and vowes to help India - for the people (and not for the establishment) with his landslide win.
    The largest democracy in the world with 1.3bn still has issues, but is improving at gusto. Today sees the son of a poor tea salesman lead this democracy.


  • #64
    branie2
    Registered Users Posts: 10,288 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Medieval, that's what it is


  • #65
    BrokenArrows
    Registered Users Posts: 7,500 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    I knew a family who moved to London from India. They all legally changed their names when they got here as their surname was from a lower caste back home. They changed it to a higher caste so they wouldn't be looked down upon by other Indians they met in London.

    You can change your name in India but you have to advertise it in the local papers. So you would never get away with it.

    Crazy system.


  • #66
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    ISo you would never get away with it.

    Crazy system.

    But today shows you can still become PM and leader of 1.3bn people, yet derive from the OBC 'other backward cast' groupage.

    Point is, it's not ideal, but is improving at speed (extreme poverty rates are very high, but also reducing quickly year-on-year).

    If you look at Asia (nevermind the MiddleEast), you can find many much worse (non-democratic) states to address with concerns, way ahead of India.


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  • #67
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    It fascinates me that caste discrimination goes on outside India TBH. In the UK they were thinking of making this form of discrimination illegal but in the end it ended up as an amendment to a law. Apparently Hindu organisations in the UK thought it was discrimination against Hinduism to legislate against this.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38663143


  • #68
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    At least you know where you are in the scheme of things.


  • #69
    Jimbob1977
    Registered Users Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    How can they tell each other's castes if they meet for the first time?

    Could you pretend to be from a different caste?


  • #70
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,947 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    How can they tell each other's castes if they meet for the first time?

    Could you pretend to be from a different caste?


    Name, address, and skin colour are used as indicators. You can pretend allright, but in some circumstances you'd be taking your life in your hands.


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Kevin Large Stockiness wrote: »
    Perhaps India offers one of the brightest hopes within Asia.

    New PM (Modi) comes from the OBC (Other backwards cast) and vowes to help India - for the people (and not for the establishment) with his landslide win.
    Shame about all of that militant hindu-nationalism that is inflaming sectarian massacres, mind you.

    The caste system is a tangled web of sociology and economics -- and not of law, in the sense that it is a crime to discriminate based on caste. Celebrating Modi's re-election as heralding a bright future for the poor and the downtrodden, is a bit like celebrating the election of Obama as benefitting African-Americans, if Obama had been blaming their woes on the jews.

    Modi's re-election is a victory only for a nasty type of nationalism, whose bloody little tentacles are creeping into sections of society that have nothing to believe in except a Messiah, and illusions of some unrealized greatness which their saviour will deliver.

    Just like Trump, or Le Pen, or Farage. He's a nasty little wheeler-dealer who promises the world to the poor by making scapegoats of minorities. These people do nothing except stir-up hatred and, eventually, violence among the most disadvantaged people in their societies.


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  • #72
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Shame about all of that militant hindu-nationalism that is inflaming sectarian massacres, mind you.

    The caste system is a tangled web of sociology and economics -- and not of law, in the sense that it is a crime to discriminate based on caste. Celebrating Modi's re-election as heralding a bright future for the poor and the downtrodden, is a bit like celebrating the election of Obama as benefitting African-Americans, if Obama had been blaming their woes on the jews.

    Modi's re-election is a victory only for a nasty type of nationalism, whose bloody little tentacles are creeping into sections of society that have nothing to believe in except a Messiah, and illusions of some unrealized greatness which their saviour will deliver.

    Just like Trump, or Le Pen, or Farage. He's a nasty little wheeler-dealer who promises the world to the poor by making scapegoats of minorities. These people do nothing except stir-up hatred and, eventually, violence among the most disadvantaged people in their societies.

    Somewhat in jest, but do try to familiarise yourself with the bookshelves regarding the power of positive thinking :pac:

    Yes it has problems, can't say it's not improving esp in regards to attempts to remove extreme poverty. The landslide election of an OBC member this week is another step forward for the world's largest democracy.

    If someone wanted to poke holes in states across Asia or the Middle East, and in much more advanced, less/same populus and prosperous states. Well there's a whole selection box availble to choose from.


  • #73
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Kevin Large Stockiness wrote: »
    Somewhat in jest, but do try to familiarise yourself with the bookshelves regarding the power of positive thinking :pac:

    Yes it has problems, can't say it's not improving esp in regards to attempts to remove extreme poverty. The landslide election of an OBC member this week is another step forward for the world's largest democracy.
    But Modi's caste, as far as I know, is what we would refer to as being working class, or maybe even petit bourgeois. The overwhelming majority of Indians either belong to Modi's class, or that which used to belong to the Dalit, 'The Untouchables'.

    If someone from the latter classification were to rise to such an office in Indian politics, it would surely be a miracle (I don't know if miracles exist in Hinduism, but doubtfully in India, and certainly not in this instance)

    Sorry for the pessimism. As Skinner once remarked to Bart, who was filling Skinner's pants with cats and dynamite "This isn't going to end well".


  • #74
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    The Cagots of France and Spain are interesting, they were treated almost like it was a caste system. There is also a similar type group in Japan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin


  • #75
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    A Touch Of Class wrote: »
    Man I'm glad to live in Ireland.

    Where we are blessed to live with our property developer betters.


  • #76
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    A Touch Of Class wrote: »
    Man I'm glad to live in Ireland.
    Don't you think we have our own version here?

    We have our own version of the Untouchables. And I'm not talking about untouch-ability in terms of the law.

    Travellers are indeed an extreme example, but the Irish political landscape is heavily stratified in terms of social class -- even though it's not as extreme as in India.

    The same goes for almost all European countries, and the USA.


  • #77
    Phileas Frog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Phileas Frog


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    So its Kingstown for Dun Laoghaire and Queenstown for Cork with you so? Cop on.

    I doubt he's that old.


  • #78
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Ipso wrote: »
    The Cagots of France and Spain are interesting, they were treated almost like it was a caste system. There is also a similar type group in Japan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin

    I find the Cagots fascinating. There are still some parts of France and Spain where the name Cagot is a dirty word.


  • #79
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Bobblehats wrote: »
    Toilet_web.jpg

    Very common.
    Was in India a few years ago. I saw the places tourists just don't go. Absolutely filthy country.
    Huge poverty everywhere. It says it all when a cow is of more importance than a human being.


  • #80
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Don't you think we have our own version here?
    We don't, and it's safe to assume that that poster meant they're glad that they live here because no matter what problems Ireland has (and it does have problems) there is nothing even remotely like what this thread is about. We don't have our own version here of the brutality that is the caste system, whatsoever. It is of course a much easier place to live in.

    Travellers are not brutalised like the "lower" orders of the caste system (nor should they be). They have numerous state supports, and many members of their community are the ones who do the intimidating - and they choose to live in communities segregated from the rest of society.

    I know people discriminate against them (the reasons are more complex than just "They're travellers") but it's still not remotely like what people at the bottom of the caste system endure.


  • #81
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Incredible that the caste system although outlawed still results in such barbarity ...


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43605550


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  • #82
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    Toilet_web.jpg

    what is he even doing ?

    pissing ? pooing ? wacking off ?


  • #83
    AngryHippie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    what is he even doing ?

    pissing ? pooing ? wacking off ?

    Trifecta for the win


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