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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion: Autumn/Winter 2017-18

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    ... Ireland and SW-UK ...

    A gradually filling depression with a warm-core anomaly approaches Ireland during the night with a weakening gradient wind event along the S-periphery of the depression. Strong subsidence in the well mixed post frontal air mass should limit the overall chances for thunderstorm activity during the night, although some low-end chances exist over offshore areas (e.g. Celtic Sea). A severe wind gust risk accompanies convection, but in general the gradient wind risk should dominate. Hence no level area was issued for now.
    At 03 UTC onwards the Irish Sea and W-UK may need some monitoring as dry air aloft overspreads a well mixed/moist BL air mass with slowly intensifying lift. We expanded the lightning area to the east and issued a small level 1 to account for enhanced downward transport of 25 m/s winds at 850 hPa (which may increase the general severe wind gust threat next to the gradient wind threat). Despite favorable kinematics, the tornado risk remains marginal at best due to very little CAPE.


    Perhaps a few sferics around the S, SE, E coasts overnight or just inland ?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The parameters there for convection tomorrow with some chance of isolated thunderstorms I think . Big convective gusts in the showers.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    A convective outlook for this Saturday as a trough traverses the country bringing very cold mid and upper temperatures aloft over relatively warm SST's.Plenty of scope for convection to produce hail and strong squally gusts. Most of the CAPE over the sea at this time of the year with little diurnal heating, Good lapse rates and decent DLS over land but will that be enough to produce sparks over land or will the pulse like cells fizzle out over the sea. I'm wondering given that there is plenty of wind from the NW that this might help some electrified convection produce some lightning activity along Atlantic coasts or maybe carry inland a bit?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Interesting charts for tomorrow with good potential for big convective showers with the possibility of hail and thunder.

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    and later on in the evening

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Strike quite a bit off the west coast.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Very little detected so far today. Just heard thunder here near Tralee, sferic showed up just over the Slieve Mish Mts outside Tralee.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Just wondering could we get a few sparks overnight . Seems to have the parameters for convection as the trough passes over the relative warm SST's aided by cool uppers and some DLS to boot. A few sparks well off the W coast this evening. Or is there going to be too much mixing from the windy conditions to allow convection to form all the way to getting electrified ?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Only a couple of sferics recorded overland last night/ today. Had some big squally hail showers near Tralee which woke us up during the night.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Has to be one of the least thundery summer and autumn seasons in recent memory, I've only heard one rumble since moving back in May and that was on the day I arrived! There was one night where the south coast had a few short lived storms but apart from that I can't remember a single day of any note


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Has to be one of the least thundery summer and autumn seasons in recent memory,
    Yea that is for sure . Enjoying keeping a focus on the set up's for potential and learning why convection formed and why it became electrified or not. Ireland only ever seems to be very borderline at best whether thunderstorms are going to form or not and usually of the pulse nature, of course we don't get the heat and humidity needed for the very big events but we do get some big storms from time to time the most recent I'm thinking of Donegal and the North of the country this August . Anyway the learning goes on ..... gKouB9l.gif


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  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭RoisinD


    Some flashes of lightning here around 6.00am as shower moved in. NW Clare


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Met Eireann just tweeted that there's a thunderstorm off the SW coast


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    Yep, mixed showers across the country too.
    Taken from net weather.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    A few sferics around today including the thunderstorm referred to by Met Eireann this morning . Sat Pic around late morning showing some large cloud off the SW with evidence of convection.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Ongoing slight risk of thunder this evening.

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    A few more sferics inland this afternoon, no doubt hail showers as well.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,054 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Lots of strikes north of Donegal now


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Chance for convection to build today. Met Eireann mentioning a risk of thunder and some showers turning wintry on high ground.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Can see big cb clouds off the Wexford Coast atm


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    Here's a livestream of the Mt Agung volcano erupting, with quite a nice Thunderstorm going on behind it at present.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Can see big cb clouds off the Wexford Coast atm

    Was thinking this might be the place for some activity this evening, only one strike showing up so far off the Wexford coast .


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭highdef


    It's so clear this evening that I can very clearly the top of a shower in Galway bay, near Galway city.... I'm SE of Enfield, in Co Kildare.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    highdef wrote: »
    It's so clear this evening that I can very clearly the top of a shower in Galway bay, near Galway city.... I'm SE of Enfield, in Co Kildare.
    I guess them flat earth nutjobs could be right :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,880 ✭✭✭✭Rock Lesnar


    highdef wrote: »
    It's so clear this evening that I can very clearly the top of a shower in Galway bay, near Galway city.... I'm SE of Enfield, in Co Kildare.

    I can see all the way to the moon ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭patneve2


    Some lightning activity near Wales over the past few hours. This is occurring in streamer activity also known as a "Pembrokeshire Dangler" - at the moment causing heavy rain, hail and sleet but can obviously cause heavy falls of snow with better upper temperature profiles. Surprised by how close the convection further north in the Irish Sea is to my location, about 25 km due east of the S Dublin Coast. Doubt we'll see anything here, but a shower of sleet or hail would be great to break this Northerly monotony for a little while.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Over 500 kJ/kg SBCAPE generating that streamer off the Greystones coast right now (red dot). 850 temperature is -5 °C still the freezing level is at around 800 m amsl. It just shows how difficult it is to get snow with anything warmer than -8 or -9 °C 850 temps.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Captain Snow


    Will MT have his Winter forecast up by Thursday? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Driving into Dublin on the N7. Could have sworn I just seen a flicker out at sea


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭patneve2


    Yes some lightning activity in the Irish Sea streamer

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