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View Poll Results: What position should Northern MPs occupy in the Dáil?
We should maintain the status quo 72 85.71%
We should give them speaking rights 8 9.52%
We should give them equal rights with TDs in the Republic 4 4.76%
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15-06-2017, 11:12   #61
 
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What is your question? ?


Your admitting they are elected now like??


Should there be extended voting rights for talking privileges to the dail to the north??
(Fantastic sugyration imo)
Why would you want a bunch of people unelected taking speaking time from people who have been elected?.

Republican romanticism basically
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What is your question? ?
Can you give some examples from around the world where unelected people get regular sanctioned speaking time in the main chamber of the parliament of another country?


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Your admitting they are elected now like??
Unelected in the jurisdiction in which you want to extend speaking right to.

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Should there be extended voting rights for talking privileges to the dail to the north??
(Fantastic sugyration imo)
No.
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15-06-2017, 11:19   #63
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Absolutely ridiculous.
What could be done is extend the jurisdiction of the D?il and hold elections in the 32 counties. Then they could actually claim to be elected Teachta? Dailanna for their constituency,

Any other half arsed way of doing it would disproportionately increase the number of unofficial TDanna from the north and decrease the validity of elected representatives in the south.
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The Irish State running elections in another country?

On what planet would or should the UK government allow that?
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The Irish State running elections in another country?

On what planet would or should the UK government allow that?
If we hadnt removed that article in our constitution claiming jurisdiction of the island of Ireland it would have more credence.
In saying that, we allow passports to NI citizens without any requirement to live in the south. Perhaps it (the elections) could be done on that basis.
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If we hadnt removed that article in our constitution claiming jurisdiction of the island of Ireland it would have more credence.
That was a referendum, and a part of the GFA - would be a totally different landscape without that.

Again though, totally unreasonable scenarios being postulated - nobody can give a real, tangible reason or scenario where this proposal works. Quite simply because it's a nonsense proposal.
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That was a referendum, and a part of the GFA - would be a totally different landscape without that.

Again though, totally unreasonable scenarios being postulated - nobody can give a real, tangible reason or scenario where this proposal works. Quite simply because it's a nonsense proposal.
I agree it's nonsensical, I was trying to theorize where it could notionally be possible.
However it is not grounded in fact or reality until/if there is a 32 county republic.
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In saying that, we allow passports to NI citizens without any requirement to live in the south. Perhaps it (the elections) could be done on that basis.
Impossible to base the vote on who has access to an irish passport considering the multiples of people around the world that are able to get one dwarfs the population of the country itself
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I still fail to see what possible benefit a 32 county Ireland would be to the current residents of the ROI and NI in today's political and economic landscape.

- OK the UK might appreciate not having to fund the show, but how do you think ROI taxpayers would like it when they're told they need to pay a substantial "unification tax" (bearing in mind the tax net here is pretty narrow as it is)

- I can't imagine the residents of NI being happy to have to deal with the HSE from here on

- There's the inevitable security issues that would once again flare into life from angry unionists

- NI would get to remain in the EU I suppose, but not enough of a reason to justify the above IMO

Honestly, outside of Republican fantasy, what would the rewards of such a move be in real terms?
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But they are elected?
Then let them speak (and vote and participate in committees) in the parliament to which they were elected. Duh!

Oh, wait a minute.......
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No. We are part of the UK. It would serve no purpose anyway.
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haha

The market research on here clearly wasn't listened to, deluded clowns.
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The Irish State running elections in another country?

On what planet would or should the UK government allow that?
Several other governments already run elections in the UK, setting up facilties so that, e.g., French or Italian citizens resident in the UK can vote in French/Italian parliamentary elections.

If the RoI wanted to create a space somewhere in the Oireachtas for representatives elected by residents of NI, I can't see the UK government being obstructive. There might be other reasons already mentioned in this thread why this might be considered a bad idea, but this isn't really one of them.
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Except irish citizens in the north are in ireland??


Why can the dail not extend an invitation to the mps there to speak??

Can't make it any worse tbh,
They aren't in the country that the Dáil governs, or makes any claim to.


It's deeply ironic, that in the same week that Gerry Adams is accusing the British Government of breaching the Good Friday Agreement, SF are from the other side of their mouths demanding that the the Dáil take steps that would be seen by many as a move towards the kind of claims that Articles 2 & 3 of the constitution used contain.
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Absolutely ridiculous.
What could be done is extend the jurisdiction of the D?il and hold elections in the 32 counties. Then they could actually claim to be elected Teachta? Dailanna for their constituency,

Any other half arsed way of doing it would disproportionately increase the number of unofficial TDanna from the north and decrease the validity of elected representatives in the south.
So breach the terms of the Good Friday Agreement then?
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