will xeon cpu be enough ?

scamalert · 17-05-2019 12:40pm #1

have old 1150 socket, and to say the least i7 for 4th gen are crazy expensive so gotten on the way, 1240 xeon v3, its 4 core 8 thread, 3.4ghz and boost up to 3.8ghz.

Question thou is it enough to run some new games like gta5,BF,PUBG at max 1080p settings if paired with right gpu, as not to get bottleneck from cpu.

Also any advice on 200-250e gpu to look for.thx

squawker · 17-05-2019 12:46pm

I still have a 4790k paired with a GTX 1080, and plays everything @1080p without problems

Maybe take a look around for a 4790k, it can be gotten for around €200 as the single core performance will be much better than the Xeon

*edit*

found one on adverts.ie for €220 and maybe you could haggle the price down a bit

https://www.adverts.ie/processors/intel-core-i7-4790k-devil-s-canyon-quad-core-4-0-ghz-lga-1150-88w-desktop-processor-intel-hd-graphics-4600/17123916

scamalert · 17-05-2019 12:52pm

squawker wrote: »

I still have a 4790k paired with a GTX 1080, and plays everything @1080p without problems

Maybe take a look around for a 4790k, it can be got for around €200 as the single core performance will be much better than the Xeon

the cpu is on its way, i would loved k series just for OC capabilities, but for under 100e had to sacrifice on choice.

K.O.Kiki · 17-05-2019 1:19pm

Xeon 4core/8thread CPUs are fine.
I would recommend downloading Intel XTU and try to undervolt it by -100mV, brings temps down by 3-5C.
You can also mess around with the all-core Turbo speeds - might be able to get all 4 cores to boost to 3.8GHz.

I would also recommend buying a 120mm/140mm fan tower cooler - the stock Xeon cooler's not great, and its clips broke on mine so it didn't cool at all.

Regarding GPU, get a twin-fan GTX 1660.

scamalert · 17-05-2019 1:40pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Xeon 4core/8thread CPUs are fine.
I would recommend downloading Intel XTU and try to undervolt it by -100mV, brings temps down by 3-5C.
You can also mess around with the all-core Turbo speeds - might be able to get all 4 threads to boost to 3.8GHz.

I would also recommend buying a 120mm/140mm fan tower cooler - the stock Xeon cooler's not great, and its clips broke on mine so it didn't cool at all.

Regarding GPU, get a twin-fan GTX 1660.

Didn't think much about cooler i got stock one now on my g3250smth 3.2ghz OCed at 3.8ghz running stable for years now, 60-70c max at loads, so could this be a problem ? as figured socket same shouldn't be much difference. Thou do get that different layout and extra cores could be an issue regarding heat spread.

TerrorFirmer · 17-05-2019 2:05pm

Stock cooler will be fine. You can get 2nd hand i7-4790 for €130 from CEX. Known for selling dead CPU's on occassion as they don't test them but worst case scenario you get a refund.

K.O.Kiki · 17-05-2019 2:21pm

Intel stock cooler is an abomination & should be replaced as soon as funds allow! :pac:

scamalert · 17-05-2019 4:31pm

im getting it of ebay so theres paypal protection, as far as i know person used to run it at 3.8Ghz.
Im not mad on gaming but do like to spend few hours when can, also looking to run virtual box for linux, or go dual boot personally myself.

ED E · 17-05-2019 7:31pm

I run bigger and badder v3 Xeons (Haswell), there are games where single core performance is likely to be a limiter but not massively. If you're not all about gaming the 1240 is fine.

K.O.Kiki · 17-05-2019 8:06pm

I'd still suggest to invest a couple of quid into a cheap cooler - even the lowly Arctic Freezer 11 LP (£13.99 on Amazon) is 12C cooler & runs quieter than Intel stock.

scamalert · 21-05-2019 5:19pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I'd still suggest to invest a couple of quid into a cheap cooler - even the lowly Arctic Freezer 11 LP (£13.99 on Amazon) is 12C cooler & runs quieter than Intel stock.

Got cpu- def intel sucks took me prob 30 minutes to slap back cooler on, as few clips didnt want to go down easy.

anyway temps are quite good on idle its around 37-40c on intel tuning utility doing stress test barely broke out of 70c range.

now checking on other msi command center app, i can see 4 cores 2 have multiplier set to 38, one to 37 and last core to 36.
So it seems 38 is like reserved for short term boost and on stress test it maxed out at 36.

So wonder should i try to increase multiplier in the bios to get 3.8ghz as default on all cores, more like is there any point doing so ?

as next step is getting better gpu in next weeks.

ED E · 21-05-2019 6:26pm

You wont be able to change the multiplier.

K.O.Kiki · 21-05-2019 6:30pm

Depends on motherboard; some of them did allow that.
But most important is undervolting IMHO.

scamalert · 21-05-2019 7:09pm

ok did offest it by -0.100Mv , and yes while i can enter multiplier in per each core, but once press to apply settings the cores 2 default to x38, and x37 x36, in other words its cpu locked.

doing short stress thou i can see approx 12c drop around 58-60 as opposed to 70-72 max before offset. edit closer to what you mentioned b4 K.O.Kiki about 5-6c drop and on idle its more under 35c on all cores so 3-5c drop.

also is it worth touching ring core ? as left that one alone to auto.

thx.

K.O.Kiki · 21-05-2019 11:42pm

Nah I'd just leave it at that, you can try undervolting more but it's a hassle to get stable if you go too low (won't damage it but might have to reset BIOS)
If you want better temps still, upgrade the cooler

Stokolan · 25-05-2019 3:36pm

scamalert wrote: »

have old 1150 socket, and to say the least i7 for 4th gen are crazy expensive so gotten on the way, 1240 xeon v3, its 4 core 8 thread, 3.4ghz and boost up to 3.8ghz.

I'm still playing games using an Xeon E3-1231 v3 paired with a GTX 980 4gb card for gaming with no issues.

scamalert · 25-05-2019 6:25pm

well im happy with purchase myself, no OC possibilities but to be fair its still enough processing power to this day,as not to break bank on getting new mobo ddr4 etc, as far as upgrades go on lga 1150. Plus that small tip from k.o.ki did indeed help with getting temps down a notch into 30c region, and any aftermarket cooler would prob add good chunk to make it way lower down the line.

scamalert · 25-05-2019 11:40pm

not wanting to make new thread, strange issue but if anyone can read dump files any idea could this be related to doing cpu voltage offset, i have gotten BSOD twice now usually either playing games online or streaming videos, screen freezes and buzzing sound until blue screen, after first time ive setup to have mini dump file dropped. Not entirely convinced that offset could be the main issue as seem its pointing to win8 driver and system which is basically windows system.

i do have few errors linking to ralinksystem64.exe in event viewer as its dispalyed as error and that it stopped unexpectedly.But without actual process being named hard to diagnose unless it happens again then might switch to another NIC to see if anything makes difference.

WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR (124)
A fatal hardware error has occurred. Parameter 1 identifies the type of error
source that reported the error. Parameter 2 holds the address of the
WHEA_ERROR_RECORD structure that describes the error conditon.
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000000, Machine Check Exception
Arg2: ffff990a60a05028, Address of the WHEA_ERROR_RECORD structure.
Arg3: 00000000be000000, High order 32-bits of the MCi_STATUS value.
Arg4: 0000000000800400, Low order 32-bits of the MCi_STATUS value.

Debugging Details:

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DUMP_QUALIFIER: 400

BUILD_VERSION_STRING: 10.0.17763.503 (WinBuild.160101.0800)

SYSTEM_MANUFACTURER: MSI

SYSTEM_PRODUCT_NAME: MS-7916

SYSTEM_SKU: To be filled by O.E.M.

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BIOS_VENDOR: American Megatrends Inc.

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BIOS_DATE: 02/16/2016

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BASEBOARD_PRODUCT: Z97 GAMING 7 (MS-7916)

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DUMP_TYPE: 2

DUMP_FILE_ATTRIBUTES: 0x8
Kernel Generated Triage Dump

BUGCHECK_P1: 0

BUGCHECK_P2: ffff990a60a05028

BUGCHECK_P3: be000000

BUGCHECK_P4: 800400

BUGCHECK_STR: 0x124_GenuineIntel

CPU_COUNT: 8

CPU_MHZ: d48

CPU_VENDOR: GenuineIntel

CPU_FAMILY: 6

CPU_MODEL: 3c

CPU_STEPPING: 3

CPU_MICROCODE: 6,3c,3,0 (F,M,S,R) SIG: 24'00000000 (cache) 24'00000000 (init)

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: WIN8_DRIVER_FAULT

PROCESS_NAME: System

CURRENT_IRQL: f

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ANALYSIS_SESSION_TIME: 05-26-2019 00:46:03.0420

ANALYSIS_VERSION: 10.0.14321.1024 amd64fre

STACK_COMMAND: kb

THREAD_SHA1_HASH_MOD_FUNC: 81a83ae0317433a47fcc36991983df3b6e638b71

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THREAD_SHA1_HASH_MOD: 76cd06466d098060a9eb26e5fd2a25cb1f3fe0a3

FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: GenuineIntel

IMAGE_NAME: GenuineIntel

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 0

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x124_GenuineIntel_PROCESSOR_MAE

BUCKET_ID: 0x124_GenuineIntel_PROCESSOR_MAE

PRIMARY_PROBLEM_CLASS: 0x124_GenuineIntel_PROCESSOR_MAE

TARGET_TIME: 2019-05-25T22:10:40.000Z

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OSSERVICEPACK: 503

SERVICEPACK_NUMBER: 0

OS_REVISION: 0

SUITE_MASK: 272

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OSPLATFORM_TYPE: x64

OSNAME: Windows 10

OSEDITION: Windows 10 WinNt TerminalServer SingleUserTS

OS_LOCALE:

USER_LCID: 0

OSBUILD_TIMESTAMP: 2021-07-31 16:45:35

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BUILDLAB_STR: WinBuild

BUILDOSVER_STR: 10.0.17763.503

ANALYSIS_SESSION_ELAPSED_TIME: 586

ANALYSIS_SOURCE: KM

FAILURE_ID_HASH_STRING: km:0x124_genuineintel_processor_mae

FAILURE_ID_HASH: {7c95de0c-286c-8226-45c2-422b4de101d6}

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