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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    It is true attempts were made to replicate the magic bullet flight path and damage and nobody has had any success in 60 years.

    Yes they have. The video above shows a similar bullet from a similar gun going through 3 feet of wood and its pristine. Did you not watch it? You're either lying on purpose or ignorant.

    Just after that they fire it through 2 objects where bullet wipe and yaw are explained which also explains the squeeze on CCE399 and the wound on Connollys back and the hole in his coat.

    Heres another example. At 56 mins. An excellent documentary by the way.

    https://archive.org/details/JFKBeyondTheMagicBullet2004

    So theres 2 examples off the top of my head.

    Explain to me again how nobody has had any success in 60 years?
    There are photographs of LBJ not shown in the car when it passed the TBD, but that could be a trick of the light at an angle. If you want to see this photo, I will post it? I don't use this because there could be another explanation for why he does not appear to be sitting up in the car?

    Yes the Altgens photo. LBJs head is visible in it, behind a motorcycle cop. Its really low res. Hes clearly sitting up in the car in the Zapruder film and all other photos. He never ducks. Its such a stupid theory.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,065 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    JFK was a very sick person (he had the last rites given to him twice in his life) and couldn’t even walk down a flight of stairs. If LBJ/CIA wanted to kill him all they had to do was tamper with his medication and nobody would have batted an eyelid if he died.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    JFK was a very sick person (he had the last rites given to him twice in his life) and couldn’t even walk down a flight of stairs. If LBJ/CIA wanted to kill him all they had to do was tamper with his medication and nobody would have batted an eyelid if he died.

    Or just had some lunatic shoot him in the head when he was close to a crowd which he always was and then have security shoot the shooter. Much easier than a plot that involves thousands of people by some accounts.

    Why not just shoot him here?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Yes they have. The video above shows a similar bullet from a similar gun going through 3 feet of wood and its pristine. Did you not watch it? You're either lying on purpose or ignorant.

    Just after that they fire it through 2 objects where bullet wipe and yaw are explained which also explains the squeeze on CCE399 and the wound on Connollys back and the hole in his coat.

    Heres another example. At 56 mins. An excellent documentary by the way.

    https://archive.org/details/JFKBeyondTheMagicBullet2004

    So theres 2 examples off the top of my head.

    Explain to me again how nobody has had any success in 60 years?



    Yes the Altgens photo. LBJs head is visible in it, behind a motorcycle cop. Its really low res. Hes clearly sitting up in the car in the Zapruder film and all other photos. He never ducks. Its such a stupid theory.

    Decided to watch the wood experiment in your video.

    The older guy was looking at a hole (entry) where a bullet went through to the left of the centre of the wood?

    When they removed the wood at the end. Their bullet was in the wrong location it was sticking out at the edge the corner of right side of the wood opposite side?

    Care to explain this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Decided to watch the wood experiment in your video.

    The older guy was looking at a hole (entry) where a bullet went through to the left of the centre of the wood?

    When they removed the wood at the end. Their bullet was in the wrong location it was sticking out at the edge the corner of right side of the wood opposite side?

    Care to explain this?

    It either moved through the fibres in the 3 feet of wood which is not only unusual but likely, or they're one of "them" and part of the cover up.

    Why are you posting so much in here when you've never watched any of these documentaries?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Nal I post this images so you don't have to watch the video.

    The old guy claims the bullet entered in where he places his thumb. That's a hole in the centre and to the left of the wood
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    When they removed the wood the bullet was sticking out at the right side/ a hole near the edge and top of the wood?
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    It either moved through the fibres in the 3 feet of wood which is not only unusual but likely, or they're one of "them" and part of the cover up.

    Why are you posting so much in here when you've never watched any of these documentaries?

    Who are they obvious fraudsters? Why did they not show the bullet going through all the wood, they left that out of the video.

    How does a bullet entering in the centre to the left end up near the edge on the right side?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Who are they obvious fraudsters? Why did they not show the bullet going through all the wood, they left that out of the video.

    How does a bullet entering in the centre to the left end up near the edge on the right side?

    Err, because the shot wasn't 100% straight maybe?

    Fúcks sake.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Err, because the shot wasn't 100% straight maybe?

    Fúcks sake.

    On their camera it went in straight did you watch the video? You did not look at this experiment too closely did you? You just assumed it was correct


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    On their camera it went in straight did you watch the video? You did look at this experiment too closely did you? You just assumed it was correct

    You're a basket case. You know zero about gunfire, trajectories or ballistics and show no interest in learning.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    You're a basket case. You know zero about gunfire, trajectories or ballistics and show no interest in learning.

    Your experts got exposed now your upset?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Your experts got exposed now your upset?

    Nope. I get bored explaining basic ballistic testing to people who don't understand and don't want to understand.

    Its impossible for a human to fire a bullet through 3 feet of wood and for it to come out at the exact same point that it entered on the other side. It will always be offline. Even if the shot is a degree or two off straight, which is a minimum expectation, it will exit at a different point.

    In this case, the shot is off centre by a degree or two high and to the right.

    This is basic, basic stuff.
    seannash wrote: »

    It has been posted and ignored yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Yawing experiment is laughable too.

    Is that even a Carcano bullet? There is a bubble at the end when the bullet emerges (damage or another bullet?)

    467208.png

    Here you can see the bullet is not straight it heading downwards to the ground.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The Yawing experiment is laughable too.

    Bullet yaw is a scientific fact. As is bullet wipe.

    Read about it independently, outside of any JFK assassination links.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Nope. I get bored explaining basic ballistic testing to people who don't understand and don't want to understand.

    Its impossible for a human to fire a bullet through 3 feet of wood and for it to come out at the exact same point that it entered on the other side. It will always be offline. Even if the shot is a degree or two off straight, which is a minimum expectation, it will exit at a different point.

    In this case, the shot is off centre by a degree or two high and to the right.

    This is basic, basic stuff.



    It has been posted and ignored yes.

    They are fraudsters. Warren commission carried out multiple tests and their bullet was always damaged

    Somehow these guys have a perfectly fine bullet going through 3 metres of wood, bull****.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Bullet yaw is a scientific fact. As is bullet wipe.

    Read about it independently, outside of any JFK assassination links.

    I know bullet Yaw is scientific fact. The difference here a bullet that yaws then enters Connelly back after it exited Kennedy throat area. Laughable as you can see a bullet when its yawing starts falling down it not heading straight.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    They are fraudsters. Warren commission carried out multiple tests and their bullet was always damaged

    Somehow these guys have a perfectly fine bullet going through 3 metres of wood, bull****.

    hahaha. Now you believe the Warren Commission?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,395 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Who are they obvious fraudsters? Why did they not show the bullet going through all the wood, they left that out of the video.

    How does a bullet entering in the centre to the left end up near the edge on the right side?

    And again proving you know nothing about bullets or ballistics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    hahaha. Now you believe the Warren Commission?

    No i don't.

    I believe they tried to replicate the magic bullet flight legitimately and failed. They would be delighted if their bullets were intact and undamaged.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    And again proving you know nothing about bullets or ballistics.

    Its astonishing stupidity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    And again proving you know nothing about bullets or ballistics.

    Sorry, but it obvious from this frame Kennedy felt the bullet exit his throat. The Warren commission claim Gov Connelly was hit in the back in this same frame:confused:

    Sure he was bull he looks fine to me seated and looking forward? You even see Jackie reacting in frame 225

    467212.png


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Its astonishing stupidity.

    What astonishing stupid you believe some random guy and his son. Multiple tests got done by the Warren commission and none of the bullets were fine.

    Somehow their bullet goes through the wood to the left of centre in a straight line and ends up near the right corner edge of the wood on the opposite side.

    What did they not show the holes in all the wood that they claim the bullet went through?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Warren Commission testimony


    Colonel Finck was a lieutenant colonel in the Army Medical Corps. He obtained his medical degree at the University of Geneva Medical School in Switzerland in 1948. He experienced 4 years of training in pathology after his internship, 2 years, including 2 years of pathology at the University Institute of Pathology in Geneva, Switzerland, and 2 years at the University of Tennessee Institute of Pathology in Memphis, Tenn. He was in the Army since 1955. From 1955 to 1958, he performed approximately 200 autopsies, many of them pertaining to trauma, including missile wounds, while stationed at Frankfort, Germany as pathologist of the United States Army Hospital in Frankfurt, Germany. He was Chief of the Wound Ballistics Pathology Branch of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, personally reviewing all the cases forwarded by the Armed Forces, and some civilian cases from the United States and forces overseas, totalling approximately 400 cases. Finck was certified in pathology anatomy by the American Board of Pathology in 1956, and by the same American Board of Pathology in the field of forensic pathology in 1961.


    Mr. SPECTER. And could it [CE 399] have been the bullet which inflicted the wound on Governor Connally's right wrist?
    Colonel FINCK. No; for the reason that there are too many fragments described in that wrist.

    From Mr. Frazier, FBI firearms expert:

    Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Frazier, did you determine the weight of the exhibit-that is, 399?
    Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. Exhibit 399 weighs 158.6 grains.

    Mr. EISENBERG. How much weight loss does that show from the original bullet weight?

    Mr. FRAZIER. We measured several standard bullets, and their weights varied, which is a normal situation, a portion of a grain, or two grains, from 161 grains--that is, they were all in the vicinity of 161 grains. One weighed--- 160.85, 161.5, 161.1 grains.

    Mr. EISENBERG. In your opinion, was there any weight loss?

    Mr. FRAZIER. There did not necessarily have to be any weight loss to the bullet. There may be a slight amount of lead missing from the base of the bullet, since it is exposed at the base, and the bullet is slightly flattened; there could be a slight weight loss from the end of the bullet, but it would not amount to more than 4 grains, because 158.6 is only a grain and a half less than the normal weight, and at least a 2 grain variation would be allowed. So it would be approximately 3 or 4 grains.

    . . .

    Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Frazier, is it possible for the fragments identified in Commission Exhibit 840 to have come from the whole bullet heretofore identified as Commission Exhibit 399?

    Mr. FRAZIER. I would say that based on weight it would be highly improbable that that much weight could have come from the base of that bullet since its present weight is--its weight when I first received it was 158.6 grains.

    Mr. SPECTER. Referring now to 399.

    Mr. FRAZIER. Exhibit 399, and its original normal weight would be 160 to 161 grains, and those three metal fragments had a total of 2.1 grains as I recall--2.3 grains. So it is possible but not likely since there is only a very small part of the core of the bullet 399 missing.


    The magic bullet theory is bull, there was too many bullet fragments in Connelly body.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    Sorry, but it obvious from this frame Kennedy felt the bullet exit his throat. The Warren commission claim Gov Connelly was hit in the back in this same frame:confused:

    Sure he was bull he looks fine to me seated and looking forward? You even see Jackie reacting in frame 225

    467212.png


    So from an extract in one of the videos posted it does show that connelly's jacket "pops" forward in that frame. This indicates something forced his jacket forward. They say its the bullet. Indeed Connelly does react in the next couple of frames as if hes been hit. I guess some will claim connelly was shot with another shot at the exact same time?
    Its talked about at around 2 minutes



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=174&v=DSBXW1-VGmM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    seannash wrote: »
    So from an extract in one of the videos posted it does show that connelly's jacket "pops" forward in that frame. This indicates something forced his jacket forward. They say its the bullet. Indeed Connelly does react in the next couple of frames as if hes been hit. I guess some will claim connelly was shot with another shot at the exact same time?
    Its talked about at around 2 minutes



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=174&v=DSBXW1-VGmM

    The claim is he was hit when he turned around to have a look. You can see in frame 225 Connelly has not yet turned around and Kennedy has already reacted to the bullet leaving his throat. Connelly has always stated never changed his story that he felt no blow till he positioned his body to look to the right.

    By the way, Connelly had in his right hand a Cowboy hat. Supposedly a bullet had just shattered his wrist in frame 225 or 226.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The claim is he was hit when he turned around to have a look. You can see in frame 225 Connelly has not yet turned around and Kennedy has already reacted to the bullet leaving his throat. Connelly has always stated never changed his story that he felt no blow till he positioned his body to look to the right.

    By the way, Connelly had in his right hand a Cowboy hat. Supposedly a bullet had just shattered his wrist in frame 225 or 226.

    This clearly shows both men reacting virtually simultaneously to the same stimulus i.e. they were both shot by the same bullet. It's crystal clear.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭The Nal



    By the way, Connelly had in his right hand a Cowboy hat. Supposedly a bullet had just shattered his wrist in frame 225 or 226.

    So what? Hes still holding onto his hat after hes clearly been hit and after the headshot as the car speeds away. He managed to hang onto it after being shot. He wes still holding it when he stood up and walked out of the car at Parkland.

    His wrist and hand just locked. Happens a lot with gunshots and also when people are knocked out.
    namloc1980 wrote: »
    This clearly shows both men reacting virtually simultaneously to the same stimulus i.e. they were both shot by the same bullet. It's crystal clear.

    Z-Film%2BClip-SBT-In-Motion.gif

    Yup. Its amazing that they have a video of it and people still doubt it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    The claim is he was hit when he turned around to have a look. You can see in frame 225 Connelly has not yet turned around and Kennedy has already reacted to the bullet leaving his throat. Connelly has always stated never changed his story that he felt no blow till he positioned his body to look to the right.

    By the way, Connelly had in his right hand a Cowboy hat. Supposedly a bullet had just shattered his wrist in frame 225 or 226.

    The attached text needs to be considered.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,395 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    What astonishing stupid you believe some random guy and his son. Multiple tests got done by the Warren commission and none of the bullets were fine.

    Coming from you, this is pretty hilarious after some of the sh/te videos you have posted in these forums.

    Somehow their bullet goes through the wood to the left of centre in a straight line and ends up near the right corner edge of the wood on the opposite side.

    What did they not show the holes in all the wood that they claim the bullet went through?

    Have you ever fired a gun? Have you ever shot anything?


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