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Irish Traveller Culture

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  • #92
    Ostrom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    spannerotoole wrote: »
    The whole point is that she said that they have education now.
    But they fact that there are multiple grammar errors in the statements about education proves to be somewhat ironic.

    If you are going to say that you are educated, then at least get the grammar right. Especially when you're talking about reading and writing.

    Education is more than grammar; if you cannot reckon the value of a contribution in broader terms, then you are in no position to pass judgement.


  • #93
    aidoh
    Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    spannerotoole wrote: »
    The whole point is that she said that they have education now.
    But they fact that there are multiple grammar errors

    If you are going to say that you are educated, then at least get the grammar right. Especially when you're talking about reading and writing.
    /your argument.


  • #94
    aidoh
    Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    spannerotoole wrote: »
    But they fact that there are multiple grammar errors...
    /your argument.


  • #95
    spannerotoole
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭spannerotoole


    aidoh wrote: »
    /your argument.

    The sad thing is that it took a long time before someone realised there was a spelling error in the comment.

    Which kind of illustrates my point.


  • #96
    Ostrom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    spannerotoole wrote: »
    The sad thing is that it took a long time before someone realised there was a spelling error in the comment.

    Which kind of illustrates my point.

    I draw the line at textspeak and poor grammar; anything else, especially spelling, is ignorable. I have many posts with extra or reversed letters from mis-fired keys. This isn't a proof for a journal, and no poster is under any obligation (perhaps with the exception of sensible spacing) to keep a dictionary beside them. This is an inclusive space, and your type of small-minded pedantry closes this off.

    Enough with the spelling please - if you want an evidence based discussion on education (as opposed to an isolated case on a biased internet forum), work away.


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  • #97
    spannerotoole
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭spannerotoole


    I am not talking of spelling errors but entire bits of language mangled.

    For example "They is cuming to are house" (I have seen this) and other seriously bad grammar and spelling errors.

    If this is what they are being taught in the special school for travellers then i am not surprised that they were shut down.


  • #98
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,012 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    FairRawny wrote: »

    Traveller families are especially strict with girls, according to Martin.
    "Some mothers and fathers is too strict where you wouldn't be allowed to go anywhere," she says. "This is why most Travelling girls get married young, because they want to get away from that.

    If you read that properly you would realise that the whole thing is a quote, and not FairRawey's words at all. Either way, the number of errors in this thread is not significant and nowhere near some other threads I have seen.

    In passing though, FairRawney, your posts would be easier to read if you gave your own opinions and linked to the long quotes, it would be more interesting, to me anyway, to read your opinions.


  • #99
    deise go deo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭deise go deo


    dlofnep wrote: »

    Travellers live different, speak differently, look differently, have a different history, take part in different sports (most boxing), have their own language, their own stories that they tell their children.


    You could apply that to people from D4


  • #100
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    normally with a different ethnic group you would expect different christian and surnames yet the travellers have exactly the same names as us and there is no such thing as a typical traveller name. myers for example is a typical traveller name in mullingar, yet I do not believe Kevin is one of their number.
    their facial features are basically the same as ours, though buffers (settled people) tend to be less inbred.


  • #101
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    deise go deo wrote: »
    You could apply that to people from D4
    :D


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  • #102
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    spannerotoole wrote: »
    I am not talking of spelling errors but entire bits of language mangled.

    For example "They is cuming to are house" (I have seen this) and other seriously bad grammar and spelling errors.

    If this is what they are being taught in the special school for travellers then i am not surprised that they were shut down.


    some words are aslo inverted but they do have specific words such as gammy. very few can speak pure cant these days.


  • #103
    axer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭axer


    Nobody seems to be able to show enough differences between travellers and non-travellers to justify travellers being called an ethnic minority.
    Language: I hear non-travellers using words like gammy often e.g he has a gammy leg.
    Religion: my understanding is their religion is catholic or old school catholic.
    Race: it has been shown through a study that their gene pool is not distinct as opposed to roma gypsies who do have a distinct gene pool. They look like any other irish person and have the same names.
    Culture: im not sure whats in their culture that makes them a different ethnicity than non-travellers.
    I hope someone here can educate me as to what makes them a different ethnic group.

    What I definitely dont get is settled travellers who claim to be a traveller when they were born settled and very often their parents were too. They just are not different enough imo but I am willing to be educated as to what the large differences there are to justify them attaining ethnic minority status and how achieving that status will help them as a group get along better with non-travellers rather than just strengthen the divide.

    You could not distinguish a well dressed, clean, well-spoken traveller from the equivalently well dressed, clean, well-spoken non-traveller.


  • #104
    SineadMaria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭SineadMaria


    Cjoe wrote: »
    I have read through this thread looking to be moved from my view that there is no traveller culture. I also watched a show about them on TV3 on 04/05/10. Im still lost as to Traveller culture. Nobody has put down in black and white what this culture is. A woman mentioned on the show in response to the young woman getting married "this is our culture". Getting married at 18 is not a seperate cultural trait.
    To be honest I dont believe there is a Traveller culture. There is a Traveller way of life just like there is a fishermans way of life or an inhabitant of one of the aran islands way of life. I do feel Travellers live differentley to many people but they are not in my opinion an ethinc group in any shape or form. Alot of customs they have are old catholic traditions. Teling stories and singing are great talents to have but once again they do not make you ethnicly or culturally different to the average Irish man or Woman.

    Some travellers have great IRISH traditions such as singing, trad music playing, story telling etc but they are no different to any other irish person. And that is exactly it. They are Irish people. Nothing more nothing less. And the sooner Travellers realise that and stop playing the "Racism, Ethnic Minority" cards the sooner peoples views will change and the better the relationships will be amounst both travellers and non travellers alike.

    Hi Cjoe i know you posted this awhile ago but if you are still interested in finding out wheather Traveller culture exists or not, I would be happy to give you some answers on this topic. Are you interested in specific aspects of Traveller culture or in a more general sense


  • #105
    eh2010
    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭eh2010


    Has there ever been a genetic study on travelers? What are their origins? How do they differ from settled Irish people? I heard once that they are the closest related Irish people to the first Irish people, and therefore one of the oldest groups in the counrty. Don't know how accurate that is though.


  • #106
    axer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭axer


    eh2010 wrote: »
    Has there ever been a genetic study on travelers? What are their origins? How do they differ from settled Irish people? I heard once that they are the closest related Irish people to the first Irish people, and therefore one of the oldest groups in the counrty. Don't know how accurate that is though.
    I remember during the Prime Time show about it someone spoke to say that there was a study done and that it showed no difference in dna between Irish people and Irish Traveller people. I believe there is a difference between Roma gypsies and other people though.

    I think this might be the study that was refered to:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023116

    Here is the full text i believe:
    http://irish-nationalism.net/showthread.php/1495-The-origins-of-the-Irish-Travellers-and-the-genetic-structure-of-Ireland


  • #107
    SineadMaria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭SineadMaria


    don't believe there is a genetic difference between Travellers and the Settled community, how ever there is a cultural difference


  • #108
    bitter_lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    they should not be deemed as an ethnic group. but they are deemed as such and there is nothing i can do about it.

    on another note i realise why why they find the word "knacker" offensive. they supposedly "love" their harses. and knacker means killer of horses. so why do they ride their horses into the ground bareback? with a cruel crude fashioned bit in their mouth? any decent horse loving person knows you need a saddle on a horse for balance and gentle on the reins. these just lie back and have no balance and rip the horses' mouth to shreds.

    so knacker is an apt word. they are essentially a killer of horses.

    and please don't get me started about the convicted crime rate amongst "travellers"! a very high percentage of their community? hmm why is this? oh i wonder why :rolleyes:


  • #109
    SineadMaria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭SineadMaria


    bitter_lemon wrote: »
    they should not be deemed as an ethnic group. but they are deemed as such and there is nothing i can do about it. :rolleyes:


    Actually Travellers are not legally deemed as an ethnic community in Ireland, that is what some Travellers are working to achieve.

    As for the rest of your post, like all groups you will get good and bad, this doesn't mean you should judge all the same :cool:.


  • #110
    bitter_lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    i was not talking about legally. they have all rights under political correctness.
    an ethnic group my arse :mad:

    as for the rest of my post the bad far outweigh the good per census of population.
    i know in all groups you will get good and bad but per capita for travellers it does not work out that way.
    thank you very much for your enlightening input :cool:


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