Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Boggles · 11-10-2019 11:50am

Muahahaha wrote: »

And tonight on the Late Late Show we will have €495,000 per year Ryan Tubridy interviewing the Speaker of the House of Commons John Bercow who gets paid £156,000 per year.

Cheers, an interview I would actually be interest in.

Should he only interview people that earn more than him?

Elmo · 11-10-2019 12:07pm

Boggles wrote: »

A lot of those channels are FTV not FTA like here.

I did say similar not the same.

As I said across the board RTÉ aren't utilizing what they have, just because TLLS and GN are on the other side doesn't mean that you don't try to provide alternative content (which in turn trickles down to On Demand viewing), instead RTÉ have chosen a do nothing approach, and TLLS and GN are both extreme examples of this there are many others.

Elmo · 11-10-2019 12:11pm

Boggles wrote: »

Cheers, an interview I would actually be interest in.

Should he only interview people that earn more than him?

You'll have to sit though Mrs Brown's Boys, Bernard O'Shea. No sob stories this week.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 12:12pm

Elmo wrote: »

You'll have to sit though Mrs Brown's Boys, Bernard O'Shea. No sob stories this week.

No I won't.

AndyBoBandy · 11-10-2019 8:38pm

8:30pm
Friday Night
RTÉ 1
How to grow courgettes.

In fairness if the licence fee was €250 it would be so worth it for the sheer volume of spectacular content RTÉ manage to produce...

Boggles · 11-10-2019 8:53pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

8:30pm
Friday Night
RTÉ 1
How to grow courgettes.

In fairness if the licence fee was €250 it would be so worth it for the sheer volume of spectacular content RTÉ manage to produce...

Celebrity Master Chef and Gardeners World on BBC 1 and 2.

ITV has the match and Supermarket Sweep.

Channel 4 has another baking program and Celebrity Coach trip.

That's the game now sadly. But people watch that crap so all power to them.

limnam · 11-10-2019 8:56pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

8:30pm
Friday Night
RTÉ 1
How to grow courgettes.

You're pointing this out like it's a bad thing.

fritzelly · 11-10-2019 9:10pm

Boggles wrote: »

Celebrity Master Chef and Gardeners World on BBC 1 and 2.

ITV has the match and Supermarket Sweep.

Channel 4 has another baking program and Celebrity Coach trip.

That's the game now sadly. But people watch that crap so all power to them.

Gardeners world (on their secondary channel) - one of the longest running series in history and always popular
You use ITV2 as an example??? No one pays to support it, but hey big match on the main channel
CH4 - Bake off - massively popular show - no one pays for it, hell even Coach Trip is popular

We get courgette growing on the island's "premier" channel

Boggles the mind how anyone supports the crap RTE put out - if it was one night a week you wouldn't mind but it's every frigging night

Boggles · 11-10-2019 9:29pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Gardeners world (on their secondary channel) - one of the longest running series in history and always popular
You use ITV2 as an example??? No one pays to support it, but hey big match on the main channel
CH4 - Bake off - massively popular show - no one pays for it, hell even Coach Trip is popular

Apart from the match, I consider it all crap.

Again personal taste.

RabbleRouser2k · 12-10-2019 2:53am

I watched it for the John Bercow bit...

Tubridy messed it up again... the bit about politics at the end should have been the majority of the interview.

I don't want to know about his cat, we know enough about his background...

He could have asked him about the washing machine for his nanny, or the other 'questionable' purchases he's made.

Instead, a soft ball interview so soft I almost thought it was a bedtime story.

Elmo · 12-10-2019 9:11am

Boggles wrote: »

Celebrity Master Chef and Gardeners World on BBC 1 and 2.

ITV has the match and Supermarket Sweep.

Channel 4 has another baking program and Celebrity Coach trip.

That's the game now sadly. But people watch that crap so all power to them.

Both show are Made in England
Seems to be an English programme also
English shows

RTÉ repeats repeats of their own shows, repeats repeats of US programming.

I have no problem with Irish programming but clearly there is very little of it.

For example You are what you eat

The BAI received a complaint about one of the episodes, in there defense of the show RTÉ stated that the episode in question had already air 4 times that year without a complaint, that’s far too many times in a year to repeat a program on RTÉ.

But all channels repeat even the BBC & Channel 4

Actually both the BBC and Channel 4 must report in their annual reports how much programming they repeat in prime time for BBC1,2 and the main C4 channel. BBC ONE has just 7% repeats this compares to RTÉ ONE’s 25%, BBC 2 has 25% this compares to 55% on RTÉ2, while channel 4 has 10%.

Boggles · 12-10-2019 9:42am

Elmo wrote: »

Actually both the BBC and Channel 4 must report in their annual reports how much programming they repeat in prime time for BBC1,2 and the main C4 channel. BBC ONE has just 7% repeats this compares to RTÉ ONE’s 25%, BBC 2 has 25% this compares to 55% on RTÉ2, while channel 4 has 10%.

Repeats save money.

The figures are hardly that surprising to be fair given the gulf in budgets.

Elmo · 12-10-2019 10:26am

Boggles wrote: »

Repeats save money.

The figures are hardly that surprising to be fair given the gulf in budgets.

Okay so you’ve decided to spend €25m on imports that’s between 10,000 and 12,000 hours of content, excluding daytime programming & children’s content & classic TV, we’ll say RTÉ have around 6000 hours of content (let’s be mean and say 4000 hours). That’s 10hours of new prime time content a day.

So let’s say you have maybe 2 TV channels and prime time is between 6pm & 11pm, that’s 10hours of prime time TV, and remember you’ve just paid 25million of at least 10 hours of new prime time content (plus all the rest). On top of that you have local programmes that fit in prime time.

Even if RTÉ reduced their imports to 15m they’d still have enough content for fewer repeats.

Your debating this with some who agrees with RTÉ, the license fee and even .... I think at the very least the gov should have added €2 this budget to the license fee.

Boggles · 12-10-2019 10:38am

Elmo wrote: »

Your debating this with some who agrees with RTÉ, the license fee and even .... I think at the very least the gov should have added €2 this budget to the license fee.

At this point in time I don't support any fee increase and if they take the step to bring in a universal broadcast charge, I won't pay it if I can avoid it.

There has to come a time where the default solution to a public service is not fúck large quantities of money at it unless of course it is proven to be justified.

Elmo · 12-10-2019 11:30am

Boggles wrote: »

At this point in time I don't support any fee increase and if they take the step to bring in a universal broadcast charge, I won't pay it if I can avoid it.

There has to come a time where the default solution to a public service is not fúck large quantities of money at it unless of course it is proven to be justified.

So why are you defending RTÉ and why I am I calling them out?

(In terms of the length of time since an increase, but reform is absolutely necessary and they have not taken needed steps to change)

Boggles · 12-10-2019 1:13pm

Elmo wrote: »

So why are you defending RTÉ and why I am I calling them out?

I'm not defending RTE.

I'm defending aspects of it.

To be fair to you, your opinions are reasoned and well thought out.

But simpletons coming in and saying "RTE should be like Netflix, they are shít" is just beyond reason.

The Late Late Show · 12-10-2019 8:45pm

Boggles wrote: »

I'm not defending RTE.

I'm defending aspects of it.

To be fair to you, your opinions are reasoned and well thought out.

But simpletons coming in and saying "RTE should be like Netflix, they are shít" is just beyond reason.

Most of the time, all the traditional television channels are poor these days. Apart from the news and weather, there is nothing on during prime hours these days. The chatshows on RTE may be dire but BBC's/UK channels' reality shows are not any better and RTE are copying most of their trashy reality shows from the UK too.

Repeats are not just the trend with RTE either. Flicking through channels now, BBC have Dads Army on and flicking earlier in the week, another channel has Compo/Last of the Summer Wine on 5 evening a weak. That said and done, RTE are showing worse repeats like Room To Improve, Celebrity Globetrotters, etc. They then show a decent and rare repeat like Lark Rise to Candleford at 3 in the morning.

There is also no excuse for Mrs Brown's Boys/All Round To Mrs Brown's. RTE and BBC equally guilty here. Thank god for DVDs, Netflix, etc.

rivegauche · 12-10-2019 9:26pm

Even for public interest programming RTE is not good.
They don't do the research. They're lazy. They're not proper journalists doing what journalists should do. Most of the the time they wing it and just lump a talking head in front of a microphone for a discussion. Usually the talking head isn't impartial and it will be a politician looking to score points.
In Germany the quality of the public interest programming is much better. If RTE did no more than just rebroadcast Deutschlandfunk and DW content which is extremely diverse but well researched and presented in English/Irish they'd go most of the way to satisfying their public service remit.

Elmo · 13-10-2019 11:25am

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Repeats are not just the trend with RTE either. Flicking through channels now, BBC have Dads Army on and flicking earlier in the week, another channel has Compo/Last of the Summer Wine on 5 evening a weak. That said and done, RTE are showing worse repeats like Room To Improve, Celebrity Globetrotters, etc. They then show a decent and rare repeat like Lark Rise to Candleford at 3 in the morning.

Again while Extra channels from both the BBC (now includes UKTV) and channel 4 carry many repeats in prime time the same cannot be said of BBC ONE, 2 and C4 in prime time/peak viewing, RTÉ have 4 extra channels 2 +1s, news now and jr. I am talking about their main channels not e4, not film4, not more4, not BBC4, not Dave and so on. Don’t carry RTÉ’s line on this.

Boggles · 13-10-2019 12:42pm

rivegauche wrote: »

In Germany the quality of the public interest programming is much better. If RTE did no more than just rebroadcast Deutschlandfunk and DW content which is extremely diverse but well researched and presented in English/Irish they'd go most of the way to satisfying their public service remit.

How does rebroadcasting German TV meet RTE's public service remit?

Weepsie · 14-10-2019 9:14am

I don't understand why RTE suddenly decided to show 2 Dublin championship quarterfinal matches. I can't tell you the last time they showed a club game that wasn't the final, and especially 2 back to back, with fairly limited appeal and concentrated on only 1 club championship.

There was a few finals on the last few weeks that they havn't made any effort to show, but this for some reason.

Elmo · 14-10-2019 9:18am

Weepsie wrote: »

I don't understand why RTE suddenly decided to show 2 Dublin championship quarterfinal matches. I can't tell you the last time they showed a club game that wasn't the final, and especially 2 back to back, with fairly limited appeal and concentrated on only 1 club championship.

There was a few finals on the last few weeks that they havn't made any effort to show, but this for some reason.

I think eir are slowly moving away from Live TV Sports, I imagine eir Sport will be gone if not sold by eir in the next year or two. RTÉ pick up the rights from them.

ShamNNspace · 14-10-2019 12:50pm

Seems a bit strange allright.. I thought tg4 was the go to channel for the club matches

Elmo · 14-10-2019 12:59pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Seems a bit strange allright.. I thought tg4 was the go to channel for the club matches

I think TG4 & eir sport split them between each other, RTÉ has a deal with eir to carry so me games this year. Not sure when those rights are due to be renewed.

rivegauche · 14-10-2019 1:08pm

Boggles wrote: »

How does rebroadcasting German TV meet RTE's public service remit?

Translate it to English and then it serves a purpose of educating and informing.
In many cases it is a case of just removing the voice-over in German as the people they are interviewing communicate through English.
Don't translate it and the public might be spurred on to learn another language.

BBC isn't the only public service broadcaster in the world but it is the one Irish viewers are most familiar with.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 1:56pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Translate it to English and then it serves a purpose of educating and informing.
In many cases it is a case of just removing the voice-over in German as the people they are interviewing communicate through English.
Don't translate it and the public might be spurred on to learn another language.

AFAIK I know the international news channel you suggested does broadcast in English but not on 28 degrees.

As for the other channel, debating the speed of the autobahn and tax codes in municipal districts is of interest to Irish people living in Ireland, how?

How is it a public service?

rivegauche wrote: »

T
BBC isn't the only public service broadcaster in the world but it is the one Irish viewers are most familiar with.

Yes and there would be a myriad of reasons why. Primarily Britain owning the top part of our small island.

rivegauche · 14-10-2019 2:12pm

Boggles wrote: »

AFAIK I know the international news channel you suggested does broadcast in English but not on 28 degrees.

As for the other channel, debating the speed of the autobahn and tax codes in municipal districts is of interest to Irish people living in Ireland, how?

How is it a public service?

You obviously haven't listened to the content on the Official Broadcaster channels in Germany so haven't any idea as to just how diverse and outward looking their content can be. This ignorance of the quality of the service provided by others elsewhere charged with fulfilling the same mandate as RTE plays to the benefit of the lazy local Official Broadcaster in Ireland.
Just listening to DLF now and they are talking about New Wave musicians. Joe Duffy certainly isn't.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 2:17pm

rivegauche wrote: »

You obviously haven't listened to the content on the Official Broadcaster channels in Germany so haven't any idea as to just how diverse and outward looking their content can be. This ignorance of the quality of the service provided by others elsewhere charged with fulfilling the same mandate as RTE plays to the benefit of the lazy local Official Broadcaster in Ireland.
Just listening to DLF now and they are talking about New Wave musicians. Joe Duffy certainly isn't.

I get you think it is better and for the record I have watched German TV for nearly 20 years, primarily sports, mind you.

But again re dubbing a conversation in Germany about "New Wave Musicians" and broadcasting it on RTE is not fulfilling the Irish Public Service Remit.

rivegauche · 14-10-2019 2:32pm

Which Official channels are you watching German sports on. They don't generally pay for most sports outside of winter games and the Olympics because that is not within their remit.
I feel that from the input you have provided that you are determined to adopt a contrarian view without any relevant experience to support it.

The obligation to educate and inform means that the official broadcasters will present on wide and varied topics of which New Wave music just happened to be the one I was listening to as I typed.

Offering low value/without merit talk radio and an uncritical platform for Politicians to trumpet their own achievements and criticise other political parties doesn't broaden the mind of the listnership a.k.a The Public.

Boggles · 14-10-2019 2:41pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Which Official channels are you watching German sports on. They don't generally pay for most sports outside of winter games and the Olympics because that is not within their remit.

What's an official channel?

RTL show Europa League matches FTA.

WDR used to have some cracking concerts FTA.

rivegauche wrote: »

I feel that from the input you have provided that you are determined to adopt a contrarian view without any relevant experience to support it.

It's nothing to do with being contrary. It's about reality.

Rebroadcasting German TV dubbed in English will not fulfil RTEs public broadcast remit.

That's not my opinion.

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