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View Poll Results: Who Will The Dems pick in 2020
Harris 43 9.05%
Bernie 110 23.16%
Clinton 21 4.42%
Brooker 8 1.68%
Biden 147 30.95%
Gillbrand 5 1.05%
Oprah! 25 5.26%
Warren 79 16.63%
Klobuchar 5 1.05%
Michelle Obama 27 5.68%
Cuomo 5 1.05%
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28-07-2018, 20:53   #31
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It would be a complete outsider - people like Dwayne Johnson, or Tom Hanks. Maybe even a primary challenge from Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The right wing has singled out most of the people on this poll as tangible political threats and have engineered attacks against them - and frankly, in the Trump era, those attacks work to shut down sanity and rationale. Under normal political circumstances I would have voted for a ticket that included Sen. Warren, but her odds are not good owing in large part to how much static the right-wing has made about her being "Pocahontas," accusations which frankly, her rebuttals have been less than concrete against. It's another wave of Birtherism. Even if she did produce a DNA analysis, the right would try to argue the results are bogus as they did with President Obama's birth certificate. Bernie will not (or should not) run again either, I don't think enough voters take him seriously not just for his Democratic-Socialist platform (which will pick up steam in coming years anyway) but because he doesn't strike the average person as a strong leader, he is seen as a cranky old man that is up in his post-retirement years.

While it would make sense for the policy and the stability to elect someone like Michelle Obama I don't fancy her chances either. The US has no interest in dynasties. Al Gore came real close, but his competition was also the son of the then-newest former president, GHWB. I don't think given the choice Americans really want that at all. For that and other aforementioned reasons Clinton, Gore, Biden, and anyone else that was a direct insider of a prior administration need not apply, the "Deep State" conspiracy would ruin their message. That's why I think it is going to be another Washington outsider, to compete with a "Washington outsider."

It would be really hard to accuse The Rock of being a Deep State operative, or to find something wrong with him when Americans from all sides have found reasons to like and follow the man's career, from his fake wrestling "Candy Ass Jabroni," People's Elbow days to his work in films ranging from Disney characters to action movie heroes that just jump out of hospital beds, arm-flex their casts off, and go beat the crap out of bad people. And that's how he got rich, not by making curious real estate deals with Russian oligarchs or working his way through state government and enriching himself dubiously along the way. His work with Disney especially will work for him. The House of Mouse doesn't tolerate anyone who doesn't exude a wholesome image, and I doubt there are any James-Gunn-like tweets hanging out in his closet that are going to torpedo him with static in a campaign. Johnson has already made it clear he's considering a run and it honestly seems like one of the least absurd choices out there. The most anyone could try to attack him for is being an actor, and thus untrustworthy - but given not just the fact that Reagan is a former president, but the fact that Trump is a demonstrably pathological liar himself, I think this would be a really desperate vector to hit him on. I don't know. I'd like to hear what others think, as I can't think what oppo is really going to injure him if he did try to run.
The live debates would be interesting anyway, Dwayne is a very charismatic speaker to be fair and would be well able for Donald's crap.
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28-07-2018, 21:00   #32
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The live debates would be interesting anyway, Dwayne is a very charismatic speaker to be fair and would be well able for Donald's crap.
I hadn't even though about that. Johnson's experience at WWF/WWE would suit him well there. I don't think he has to stoop to calling Trump a hermaphrodite mind you, but he knows how to respond to Trump's debate style.
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Joe Kennedy III seems to be somewhat in the Democratic centre, and capable of reaching out to blue-collar voters, but is he too establishment to be a contender?
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Biden should have ran last time and is probably too old now, he would have won and honesty I could have gotten behind it. The Democrats need to cut out the identity politics / back away from socialism extremities that exist in their party and get back to a basic message that appeals to the middle class voter. The reason I was happy Trump won was a) Clinton is horribly corrupt and has gotten away with so much and b) most importantly, from a culture standpoint he's the most anti PC candidate there's ever been. When you go too far left a populist candidate like Trump becomes very appealing.
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What sort of qualities do you want a democratic candidate to have SNIP?

Racism, Bigotry, Dishonesty, Transphobia & Stupidity ?

I know these where the big pluses for you regarding Trump.

edit: forgot about him being a sexist pig. I know from your comments on Beyonce, that's a major plus aswell.

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What sort of qualities do you want a democratic candidate to have hank?

Racism, Bigotry, Dishonesty, Transphobia & Stupidity ?

I know these where the big pluses for you regarding Trump.

edit: forgot about him being a sexist pig. I know from your comments on Beyonce, that's a major plus aswell.
I have no idea why you're referencing Beyonce. One time I quoted him and agreed with him saying "We don't need Jay'z or Beyonce" ( to fill an area ). I don't think you should use celebrities to garner votes.
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You called Beyonce a whore ...for one reason. She played a Clinton election. Kinda goes over your head that Trump used music acts as well.

Do you want that sort of unpleasantness in a democratic candidate ?
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You called Beyonce a whore ...for one reason. She played a Clinton election. Kinda goes over your head that Trump used music acts as well.

Do you want that sort of unpleasantness in a democratic candidate ?
I don't remember calling Beyonce a whore, and if i did I meant it in the terms of her whoring for the Democratic party.

Got a link?
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The standout candidate for me even though he will be young is Joe Kennedy. He has the name recognition to have a head start and I think he would win it by a landslide.
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You called Beyonce a whore ...for one reason. She played a Clinton election. Kinda goes over your head that Trump used music acts as well.

Do you want that sort of unpleasantness in a democratic candidate ?
I don't remember calling Beyonce a whore, and if i did I meant it in the terms of her whoring for the Democratic party.

Got a link?
Your the gift that keeps giving SNIP. I'll give you that.

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The standout candidate for me even though he will be young is Joe Kennedy. He has the name recognition to have a head start and I think he would win it by a landslide.
The Kennedys have good name recognition but they are also one of those dynasties I discussed earlier. Any Kennedy running would run carrying the baggage of every modern Kennedy, good and bad. The Kennedy family is well liked in Democratic strongholds but I honestly feel he would have a difficult run of it in swing states and the south. He has insider status too.

There is also the bigger issue that he is quite young by presidential standards, who though legally can be as young as 35 (Joe is 37), most Presidents have been at least into their 40s or more. Joe Kennedy just hasn’t had enough time in his own spotlight, and he will get gnawed at for his youth, framed as a lack of qualifying life experience. He’s served better by hanging back and considering a 2024 run at the earliest, I don’t think he could necessarily unseat Trump, assuming Trump hasn’t been impeached or something, and if he lost a presidential campaign in his late 30s/early 40s the trend has clearly been that it hurts his chances of securing a successful bid later. Successfully elected presidents tend not to be those who run repeatedly (sorry Cruz, Giuliani, and Vermin Supreme).

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What sort of qualities do you want a democratic candidate to have SNIP?

Racism, Bigotry, Dishonesty, Transphobia & Stupidity ?

I know these where the big pluses for you regarding Trump.

edit: forgot about him being a sexist pig. I know from your comments on Beyonce, that's a major plus aswell.
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Your the gift that keeps giving SNIP. I'll give you that.
This isn't serious debate so cut it out please.
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I'd like to see Avenatti, the Stormy Daniels lawyer throw his hat in the ring. He's already said, and he's right, that whoever goes up against Trump in 2020 has to be a bruiser who thrives on conflict and won't diminish or allow themselves to be labelled and belittled by Trump. Aside from Putin, Avenatti is about the only public figure I haven't heard Trump taking a pot shot at. The guy is a consummate media performer and is equally if not more adept at controlling the narrative via twitter than the president himself.

I think he'd have a far better shot than any of these establishment figures and media personalities that Trump could easily knock down.
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I'd like to see Avenatti, the Stormy Daniels lawyer throw his hat in the ring. He's already said, and he's right, that whoever goes up against Trump in 2020 has to be a bruiser who thrives on conflict and won't diminish or allow themselves to be labelled and belittled by Trump. Aside from Putin, Avenatti is about the only public figure I haven't heard Trump taking a pot shot at. The guy is a consummate media performer and is equally if not more adept at controlling the narrative via twitter than the president himself.

I think he'd have a far better shot than any of these establishment figures and media personalities that Trump could easily knock down.
The problem with Avenatti (and any non-political candidate) is that we don't really know his political views on a lot of issues and of course he has zero experience and has never held office. I agree he seems very shrewd and strategic. He would be best suited as a campaign manager than an actual candidate
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Harris would be my top pick at the moment however I think it's pretty probable we'll see a bunch of entirely unexpected names towards the end of next year. Focus at moment is midterms.
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