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New, unregistered Irish-bought car from 1976 - where do I start?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭con747


    wmahcm wrote: »
    Agreed, it would be a real shame if this car ended up in some rich guy's glass case.

    From what the Op says he intends keeping it and hopefully getting it running in honour of his dad.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Of the two the early variant could be more of a money pit to restore.

    Given the scarcity of body panels to replace any rusted out panels, of which there will probaly be a few.

    Mechanical parts are plentiful enough if you know where to go, and reasonably priced. Given that it was a non runner
    when it was put into the shed , its definitely seized now. With flat four engines pistons laying down on the barrels,
    its not long before they form a rust attachment to them,this sort of thing occurs,

    [IMG][/img]Z6rsgGp.jpg

    And parts are available to fix this, but engine building is labour intensive and expensive.

    Body panels on the fastback variants are basically unobtainable, or extremely expensive for the later variants, and moreso for the early ones.All the fastbacks and squarebacks and notchback variants have the same design flaws that allow rust to destroy them in similar areas.

    I'd be very surprised if this variant is untouched by the dreaded rust, but if it is that would be great. But there are rust free examples from south africa that sell in the UK for less than 12k. And you definitely would not restore a rusty squareback to its former glory for less than that.

    Rare cars can often end up costing more than their value to restore which is often the case with classics.

    Does your skilset allow you to do any of the work on either car?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Here is a link to an early fastback variant of your model type,
    except yours is a squareback.

    IT was a one owner car from Doneraile in Cork. Bought by a VW specialist for
    1500 euro. It was then sold on to this chap who placed it on adverts for sale.

    It did not sell at the asking. I saw it and it was in very good shape and needed little resto work
    for someone with the skilset.

    https://www.adverts.ie/vintage-classic/1965-volkswagen-variant-type-3-fastback-original-irish-car/2137542


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    kadman wrote: »

    Does your skilset allow you to do any of the work on either car?




    I'm afraid not. My amateur mechanic talents amount to doing an oil and filter change on my own car - beyond that I haven't a clue.

    Any work to be done on either car (or the others in that shed) will require me paying someone else. So the key thing for me is to make absolutely sure I find the right people for the job.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Both lovely cars, with very personal histories.


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    alfa beta wrote: »
    I'm afraid not. My amateur mechanic talents amount to doing an oil and filter change on my own car - beyond that I haven't a clue.

    Any work to be done on either car (or the others in that shed) will require me paying someone else. So the key thing for me is to make absolutely sure I find the right people for the job.

    Okay, don't tease :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    Both lovely cars, with very personal histories.


    Great to see the appreciation people have for them here :-)
    There's a bunch of stuff in that shed that he kept - the peugeot and the VW obviously - plus and old Merecedes (190, mid sixties) a Morris Eight, an MG midget, a Ford 3000 tractor an 1980's Daihatsu van (you know the ones so small you don't really get out of them, you take them off!!) and a couple of motorbikes in bits and pieces (an Adler and a BMW of some sort)


    I'll try and clear things out a bit (The place is almost inaccessible with junk) and post photographs here as I unearth what I can. Don't have as much time as I would like though, so it'll be a slow process. So bear with me :)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Excellent. If you need any help let us know. Not me :pac: but there'd be piston heads for which your garage would be like Mecca.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    When you get sorted . Maybe contact a Peugeot owners club to get your car started, they
    might do it for you as a club project. You will be getting the benefit of old school mechanics,
    that would have the knowledge you need.

    Tea coffee anda few beer tokens go a long way in that setting:D;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭wmahcm


    alfa beta wrote: »

    Any work to be done on either car (or the others in that shed) will require me paying someone else. So the key thing for me is to make absolutely sure I find the right people for the job.

    Absolutely, good car restorations (even for cars in good condition) don't come cheap in terms of time or money. There's plenty of expensive bodge merchants out there as well.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    kadman wrote: »
    Main issues is what has moisture done to all the components of a stored car.

    Rubber tubing and seal replacement, in all the components that may have deteriration,
    nclude a huge number of components.

    You have all the brake components like, master cylinder, wheel cylinders. Possibly
    clutch hydraulic components, maybe power steering components too.

    These alone are labour intensive to check and replace. And thats just for starters.

    The engine itself in a laid up car, may not now be what it was when it was parked in there.
    Unless it was consistently started over a period of time, it may need more than a battery.

    No oil splashing around an engine means bits and pieces may now well be coated in a fine layer of rust,
    which has tendency to cause parts to stick to each other, like rings to pistons, and pistons to liners.
    Siezing an engine, means an engine stripdown.


    I know what you're saying but it depends. it won't take much to see fi the engine turns or not. If it does good news. The garage may be heated or adjoining a house or other warm building driving out damp. The blankets and the cover may have been enough to keep it fine. brakes would be the main thing to check change fluids etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I know what you're saying but it depends. it won't take much to see fi the engine turns or not. If it does good news. The garage may be heated or adjoining a house or other warm building driving out damp. The blankets and the cover may have been enough to keep it fine. brakes would be the main thing to check change fluids etc.


    Hi Saab, unfortunately the shed is not the driest, nor is it heated or adjoining a house. + we're right by the sea, so the air is often that bit more humid here than further inland.


    I think kadman's concerns may well be valid. Just have to wait and see. But I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that you're closer to the mark than he is :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Hope for the best.


    I brought over a low mileage old car, off the road and under the blanket in a garage for many years. Got it very cheap.



    Rubbers were perfect just a bit of rust in one spot where water collects at a mudguard.



    After a good service I used it for several years as a daily driver, only let me down twice when I ran out of petrol as the fuel gauge wasn't working. A new sender cured that.
    All the best.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I know what you're saying but it depends. it won't take much to see fi the engine turns or not. If it does good news. The garage may be heated or adjoining a house or other warm building driving out damp. The blankets and the cover may have been enough to keep it fine. brakes would be the main thing to check change fluids etc.


    You are correct, it wont take anymore than 2 minutes to see if the engine turns.

    But turning or not, the engine will need stripping to inspect it properly. Whether the current owner does it, or the next owner does it. Someone has to, and like i said its labour intensive. Plus the fact that the history says it was a non runner going into the shed.

    My money is on a seized engine. And there are a few tips to unseize it along with brute force. But a turning engine in this situation means very little.

    But you are correct it wont take long to see if it can turn. But thats all you will find out without stripping it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    kadman wrote: »
    Plus the fact that the history says it was a non runner going into the shed.


    The 504 was running perfectly before being stored - it was the VW that may have been a non-runner. (i'm not sure about that though.)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    If you are very lucky you might end up with this. It was an engine of mine that was taken
    from a car years ago, and dry stored. After many years slumber, I spent a day or two
    checking the engine settings. Prepped it the tried for a start.

    Happy days, i got this result.



    I then stripped it for a rebuild. Although it started and sounded ok, the piston rings were seized into the pistons, and the pistons had marked all the barrells from laying on them un oiled. So the barrels had to be crosshatch honed, new rings, new seals, and case savers added. All labour intensive but necessary


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    alfa beta wrote: »
    The 504 was running perfectly before being stored - it was the VW that may have been a non-runner. (i'm not sure about that though.)

    I'd prefer to see the VW running.........who cares about the other old yoke:P:P:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭11wingnut




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    You could try using a boroscope to check the innards and see if there is any corrosion? Save a stripdown. 'Mick's Garage' online have them or maybe a local garage could so it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 curtism


    Would thos car be for sale if so I'd be interested in making a serious offer


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  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    curtism wrote: »
    Would thos car be for sale if so I'd be interested in making a serious offer


    nope - fraid not - but if I change my mind sometime (unlikely) I'll fire a pm at you :)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    If you get organised with access to the vw, and you want a hand from to try to squeeze life into
    the vw , I'll throw my name into the hat along with another vw nut and anyone else here ,
    to try to help you out, just fire a pm at me, tim


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    This is the engine in the previous youtube vid, that is now fitted into my fastback,

    [IMG][/img]CdIekIe.jpg

    [IMG][/img]6armvCZ.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭David09


    You mention that it's a diesel. Around that time Peugeot and ford shared their diesel engines. I think it was for the 504 and the Granada/sierra?
    A few years ago I was donated a pile of old stock parts from a ford dealers that was deemed old and unsaleable. Almost all of it was sold off and used up on my own cars. However, there's a lot of old filters and service parts still there in original wrapping that might just suit that Peugeot, provided that it's the same shared engine. Drop me a pm if you want them. I'd be happy to donate them for what's going to be an awesome one of a kind project!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    alfa beta wrote: »
    ...It's now 2019 so the car is 43 years old, yet to all intents and purposes, it's actually brand new - unregistered as far as I can see and with just a couple of hundred miles on the clock. I'd love to get it up and running but need a few pointers as to where I should start with regard to the tax/registration side of things as I've no knowledge about classics at all....

    Did he ever post any video or photos of it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Ryath


    .
    beauf wrote: »
    Did he ever post any video or photos of it?
    alfa beta wrote: »
    Hi again


    I uncovered the car to the extent that I could earlier this evening - it's jammed up against a wall at one side, a boat to the front and a rusty old volkswagen variant to the other side so unfortunately its very innaccessible at the moment.


    I did take a pic of the back - the paintwork and chrome look like they need no more than a good polish. (Unfortunately there's no light in the shed and the flash on the phone is not very complimentary)



    I also managed to open the rear door just enough to squeeze my hand in and take a rather random pic of the interior (again the flash is not at all flattering). The leather looks like it needs a good clean but nothing more. (The door opened and shut very smoothly, so I guess that's a good sign as regards rubber seals etc!)


    Anyway, here are the pics I managed. If I get more time on my hands and even the possibility of moving the car out from its current position I'll try and post something better.


    IMG-5153.jpgIMG-5154.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,190 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Is that 'rusty old VW variant' a Karmann Ghia?:eek:

    Is it repairable or completely lost to time? That would be a much more interesting car than the peugout IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Cheers I couldn't find it. So cool.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    ratracer wrote: »
    Is that 'rusty old VW variant' a Karmann Ghia?:eek:

    Is it repairable or completely lost to time? That would be a much more interesting car than the peugout IMO.

    Its not a Karmann ghia, its a Vw squareback early type.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,043 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    alfa_beta - worthy recognition for your thread :)


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