The NS10,000 Project

PaulBrewer · 20-06-2008 7:28pm

Yea I'll do them.... just don't tell anyone you know me .....:o

sei046 · 20-06-2008 7:35pm

Cheers! Of course! Sure I would never tell anyone I know you!

PaulBrewer · 20-06-2008 7:38pm

sei046 wrote: »

Cheers! Of course! Sure I would never tell anyone I know you!

Spose!;)

PaulBrewer · 15-07-2008 3:32pm

Yesterday I replaced the 4 drivers in my pair of NS 10s. You may remember from before these are a 'New' second set we have that already sound better than our original pair.

They're currently on soak getting thrashed by a reggae cd to run in the speakers.

Already they sound SO much better....

We may be onto something!

Speaking of speakers -

Has anyone come across these yet?

http://www.acousticenergypro.com/professional-speaker-range/AE22-active-pro-loudspeaker.asp

They contacted us today regarding taking on their products.
Any opinions?

iquinn · 15-07-2008 4:20pm

Nigel Godrich uses the AE1's, well an older version with less bright tweeters, for the, what would this sound like on my hifi sort of category.
They're generally regarded as having a great soundstage as their main strength, not necessarily accuracy.

PaulBrewer · 15-07-2008 5:04pm

iquinn wrote: »

They're generally regarded as having a great soundstage

What does 'soundstage' mean?

iquinn · 15-07-2008 5:06pm

sorry, like stereo imaging, the placement of instruments, voices......depth etc.

tweeky · 15-07-2008 5:10pm

I used AE1's for a few years in the eighties, we used to call them the "F'I's" ....The False Impressions. They were great Hi-Fi speakers and were helpful to impress bands that hadn't experienced NS 10's before as they had great "balls" for such a small box, the only problem was that the air/wind shooting out of the port would give you sore eyes if you sat in front of them.

PaulBrewer · 15-07-2008 5:24pm

tweeky wrote: »

I used AE1's for a few years in the eighties, we used to call them the "F'I's" ....The False Impressions. They were great Hi-Fi speakers and were helpful to impress bands that hadn't experienced NS 10's before as they had great "balls" for such a small box, the only problem was that the air/wind shooting out of the port would give you sore eyes if you sat in front of them.

I remember them. You had them in Ropewalk with da 'Happens?

These new ones are talking up a good game.

Similar to the NS10s they're a "closed box speaker with an exceptional time domain performance (better than 40dB down within 5ms)"

They've had a couple of good reviews including from Resolution.

http://www.acousticenergypro.com/professional-speaker-range/AE22-Waterfall.asp

I'm looking forward to hearing them - that's really the only test.

I remember getting shot in the shoulder by a bit of debris from the port of a pair of ole Westlakes once too!

PaulBrewer · 17-07-2008 7:08pm

Does anyone have any opinions on Capacitors for Audio, specifically for the Ns10,000s? I need to get replacements.

We've got to the stage where we've replaced the drivers and installed the woofers phase shifters.

We had a test run and unsurprisingly they sound like new speakers!

Any ideas?

iquinn · 17-07-2008 10:21pm

Mundorf mcap supreme's are definitely worth looking at.
I'm not sure they'll come in the value you need, but it's likely they do, they're used a lot in crossover design.
There's a few different types, depending on your budget.

Sunn · 17-07-2008 10:22pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Does anyone have any opinions on Capacitors for Audio, specifically for the Ns10,000s? I need to get replacements.

We've got to the stage where we've replaced the drivers and installed the woofers phase shifters.

We had a test run and unsurprisingly they sound like new speakers!

Any ideas?

Not really sure what you want?

iquinn · 17-07-2008 10:23pm

http://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/m_cap.html

madisound in the US do them also.

PaulBrewer · 18-07-2008 9:58am

Thank You

PaulBrewer · 19-07-2008 11:56pm

EEEEK - Euro 370 for capacitors!

iquinn · 20-07-2008 2:01pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

EEEEK - Euro 370 for capacitors!

ouch!

Bennic xxp's might be a more affordable solution so, still good quality, should be below about €5.00 each i think.

PaulBrewer · 20-07-2008 2:40pm

iquinn wrote: »

ouch!

Bennic xxp's might be a more affordable solution so, still good quality, should be below about €5.00 each i think.

I'll have a look, I think I might just bite the bullet - the goal is to make them as good as possible.

PaulBrewer · 20-07-2008 2:41pm

iquinn wrote: »

ouch!

Bennic xxp's might be a more affordable solution so, still good quality, should be below about €5.00 each i think.

iquinn, is this an area of expertise of yours? I'm also rewiring the speakers with http://www.vovox.com/neu/content_e/index.html cable too.

iquinn · 20-07-2008 3:43pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

iquinn, is this an area of expertise of yours? I'm also rewiring the speakers with http://www.vovox.com/neu/content_e/index.html cable too.

not exactly, i dabble. Once everything else seems right, you do start to look at the smaller details, capacitors and what not!
I was going to build a set of speakers a while ago, an MTM design (mid woofer-tweeter-mid woofer) using scan speak drivers. I got cold feet though, parts alone were €1000, i thought if I mess it up, that's an expensive mess.

good resource here if you haven't seen it before:
http://www.diyaudio.com/

vovox you say, I've heard good things about thier mic cables, i use mogami throughout and i'm happy with them, but i might try those out sometime.

stephen

PaulBrewer · 20-07-2008 3:56pm

iquinn wrote: »

I got cold feet though, parts alone were €1000, i thought if I mess it up, that's an expensive mess.

good resource here if you haven't seen it before:
http://www.diyaudio.com/

vovox you say, I've heard good things about thier mic cables, i use mogami throughout and i'm happy with them, but i might try those out sometime.

stephen

Aye, a grand gone west would be a sore dose ok.

I reckon at very worst I'll have an as new pair of NS 10s and at best I'll have a better pair of NS 10s!

Also I'm lucky enough to have access to trade prices and some expertise in the area, certainly the acoustics side, too.

Thanks for that link, I've seen it before.

Have a look at -

http://www.vovox.com/neu/content_e/04_06_01.html

We've 3 studios done entirely in Vovox here i.e. all multis as well as mic / guitar leads.

I've not done an A/B with mogami but am constantly convincing guys re VoVox by loaning them leads.

Last week Jazzer Hugh Buckley was in for a spin.

Give me a buzz if you'd like to try some.

Cheers for your help Stephen.

iquinn · 20-07-2008 10:21pm

cool, will do.

i was thinking earlier, maybe using Black hole 5 dampening material inside your frankens10's might give you another nip and tuck in the right direction.

PaulBrewer · 20-07-2008 10:51pm

iquinn wrote: »

cool, will do.

i was thinking earlier, maybe using Black hole 5 dampening material inside your frankens10's might give you another nip and tuck in the right direction.

Never heard of that either! Cheers.

PaulBrewer · 20-07-2008 11:30pm

http://www.duelundaudio.com/index.asp

Thinking of using these guys stuff as the have the exact values needed - sure I better change the inductors too I suppose?

PaulBrewer · 22-07-2008 3:07pm

I've just had a facinating Skype Text conversation with Frederik from

http://www.duelundaudio.com/index.asp

re crossover components.

So much so that we're now going to represent his brand here in Ireland!

I'm looking forward to getting some capacitors and inductors over soon.

(actually on re reading, that's a horrid geeky post innit?)

iquinn · 22-07-2008 3:17pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

I've just had a facinating Skype Text conversation with Frederik from

http://www.duelundaudio.com/index.asp

re crossover components.

So much so that we're now going to represent his brand here in Ireland!

I'm looking forward to getting some capacitors and inductors over soon.

(actually on re reading, that's a horrid geeky post innit?)

cool.
how do they compare price wise to the mundorf's?

PaulBrewer · 22-07-2008 3:37pm

I'm not sure yet how pricing will be - however Frederik is quite confident about performance as this shows!

Duelund Coherent Audio
15:22
You may not have seen this
15:23

our entry level VSF compared to Mundorfs et al
15:23

Sound: WOW! Now I know how natural a capacitor can sound! They are super natural, smooth, clear, open, and at the same time they stay calm and controlled but delivering dynamics when the music calls for it. The tonal balance is near perfection, especially audible on acoustic instruments and the human voice. This makes my classical music collection so much more realistic. Also I was very pleased with the separation of every individual instrument in an orchestra, the string section is much more a group of individuals rather than just a group. In comparison I found the Mundorf Silver/Gold to be a little over-etched sometimes, they seem to have a slight top-end emphasis. The Duelund VSF Copper Capacitor seems to be the only capacitor I have tested so far that doesn’t need bypassing with an MKP1837 to be at its best. Still my ooh so natural reference!

iquinn · 22-07-2008 3:41pm

interesting.....
pm me when you get them in and organised.

sei046 · 22-07-2008 6:56pm

This is getting pretty interesting!

iquinn · 22-07-2008 8:04pm

by the by, what are you powering them with?

my next DIY project is a hypex amp-
http://www.hypex.nl/

PaulBrewer · 22-07-2008 8:33pm

I'm thinking of a pair these -
http://www.bryston.ca/pp120sst_m.html

The NS10,000 Project

Comments