Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

glick6 · 09-03-2012 9:06pm

zooropa2012 wrote: »

Just heard the Deise boys will be missing Noel Connors for 6 months, due to a bulging disc in his lumbar region, He will need physiotherapy or worst case scenario operation to heal the injury, he will we sorely missed for the campaign....

Thought I was readin the sun or the star here for a second. Hardly sensationalist no.. He's been having physio for the problem since the Limerick game in Fraher three weeks ago, the MRI result really makes no difference to his treatment.

Where did you get the six month timeframe from out of interest zooropa?

IanVW · 09-03-2012 9:48pm

Waterford Senior Hurling Team to play Kilkenny on Sunday in Walsh Park at 2.30pm.

1. Ian O’Regan Mt. Sion
2 Darragh Fives Tourin
3. Liam Lawlor Fourmilewater
7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
5. Tony Browne Mt. Sion
6. Kevin Moran De La Salle
18. Declan Prendergast Ardmore
8. Stephen Molumphy Ballyduff Upper
9. Paul O’Brien Tallow
10. Seamus Prendergast Ardmore
11. Michael Walsh Stradbally – CAPT.
12. Pauric Mahony Ballygunner
13. Martin O’Neill Mt. Sion
14. Shane Walsh Fourmilewater
15. Gavin O’Brien Roanmore

Royal Legend · 09-03-2012 10:04pm

Personally I think its good they are giving youngsters a chance. O'Mahoney, Nailers, Prendergast and O'Brien are all huge talents, that I hope will make it to the very top, who better to test their mettle than Kilkenny, dont forget, most of these youngsters have no fear of Kilkenny as they usually always beat them at underage level.

Deise Doodler · 09-03-2012 10:17pm

IanVW wrote: »

Waterford Senior Hurling Team to play Kilkenny on Sunday in Walsh Park at 2.30pm.

1. Ian O’Regan Mt. Sion
2 Darragh Fives Tourin
3. Liam Lawlor Fourmilewater
7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
5. Tony Browne Mt. Sion
6. Kevin Moran De La Salle
18. Declan Prendergast Ardmore
8. Stephen Molumphy Ballyduff Upper
9. Paul O’Brien Tallow
10. Seamus Prendergast Ardmore
11. Michael Walsh Stradbally – CAPT.
12. Pauric Mahony Ballygunner
13. Martin O’Neill Mt. Sion
14. Shane Walsh Fourmilewater
15. Gavin O’Brien Roanmore

Would prefer to see ringo (presume still on the injury list) in the corner and Mahony on the wing in stead of Dec, No prob with Tony getting game time but starting ?

zooropa2012 · 09-03-2012 10:57pm

glick6 wrote: »

Thought I was readin the sun or the star here for a second. Hardly sensationalist no.. He's been having physio for the problem since the Limerick game in Fraher three weeks ago, the MRI result really makes no difference to his treatment.

Where did you get the six month timeframe from out of interest zooropa?

Correction 2-3 months out of action if surgery is required and if other treatments are not successful.

thesultan · 09-03-2012 11:46pm

Ringo hurt his shoulder again. Power was back at training

lovelypoint · 10-03-2012 1:05am

IanVW wrote: »

Waterford Senior Hurling Team to play Kilkenny on Sunday in Walsh Park at 2.30pm.

1. Ian O’Regan Mt. Sion
2 Darragh Fives Tourin
3. Liam Lawlor Fourmilewater
7. Philip Mahony Ballygunner
5. Tony Browne Mt. Sion
6. Kevin Moran De La Salle
18. Declan Prendergast Ardmore
8. Stephen Molumphy Ballyduff Upper
9. Paul O’Brien Tallow
10. Seamus Prendergast Ardmore
11. Michael Walsh Stradbally – CAPT.
12. Pauric Mahony Ballygunner
13. Martin O’Neill Mt. Sion
14. Shane Walsh Fourmilewater
15. Gavin O’Brien Roanmore

Is the 7 & 18 thing for real ? Strange, quite strange..

In any case, team-wise, have to say it doesn't look too bad strength-wise considering injuries.

Surprised to see Philip at corner back again, and wonder if it might not be better to have an actual full back like Shane Fives back there instead. Likewise, surprised to see Tony start, and think it looks a little desperate to be honest. Spring him from the bench definitely, but why not see what one of the other wing backs can do first.

I presume Declan is there to bring a bit of strength and experience, which I can't really argue with, but how he fared against Cork 2 weeks ago did not bode well. Gavin O'Brien deserved his start, although he will have a hard introduction against the Cats.

Looking forward to it now really!

Cake Man · 10-03-2012 2:18am

Shane O'Sullivan still injured? Would have been hoping he would have been starting but obviously not...

KevIRL · 10-03-2012 12:02pm

Brick centre forward experiment continues despite even the player not wanting to be there. Really not looking forward to tomorrow, cant see anything but a heavy defeat

glick6 · 10-03-2012 1:27pm

It looks, with the whole 7 & 18 numbers change, that someone was named in the corner.... ?Ringo.... and has then had to be pulled with Philip moved back and Declan coming in from the bench.

Shame for Philip, I was looking forward to seeing him at wing and he might be under more pressure again at corner, and to be honest now, I'm nervous about our half-back line.. Tony and Declan lacking that bit of mobility and we know Kilkenny half forwards have that to burn.

I hope that whatever way things go, we play to a game plan that at least tries to give the inside forward line an advantage. Good quality low ball is whats needed, with ball in hand the three lads are dangerous, lets hope they get some decent service.

Cake Man · 10-03-2012 2:36pm

Best of luck to Colaiste na Deise in the AI 1/4 final v KK CBS today.

DublinGAA96 · 10-03-2012 3:07pm

CnD 0-0 1-2 Kilkenny CBS 6 mins in

Hslaw · 10-03-2012 4:28pm

not sure of the score but from what i hear its gone into Extra Time Hon CnD

skaface · 10-03-2012 4:42pm

Kilkenny cbs 3pts up at end of 1st period of extra time.

skaface · 10-03-2012 4:53pm

FULL TIME - CND 1-12 KILKENNY CBS 2-12, Hard luck lads, did yere county proud

Giveitfong · 11-03-2012 2:09am

Kilkenny CBS 2-12 Coláistí na nDéise 1-12

Coláistí na nDéise (CnD) made their exit from the All-Ireland Senior A Colleges Championship today when they were edged out after extra time by Kilkenny CBS an an exciting and hard-fought quarter final game in Walsh Park.

This was a very disappointing outcome as CnD failed to reproduce the terrific form which had seen them outplay St Flannans, De La Salle and Nenagh CBS in the Harty Cup competition. The superb first touch and excellent field craft which had been evident in all these games were largely absent today as the collective psychological malaise which can envelop entire teams in sport unfortunately cast its spell on the Dungarvan schools combination.

All over the field, and from start to finish, CnD players had difficulty in controlling incoming ball either in hand or on stick, and first, and even second and third, attempts to pick ball from the ground failed repeatedly. This allowed a highly committed Kilkenny outfit to get in tackles, win possession or bottle up CnD players when they did manage to get the ball in hand. As a result, the CnD players were constantly under pressure and unable to deliver the kinds of telling balls which had been a hallmark of their earlier displays. However, it has to be said that, even when in open country, the CnD lads more often than not made poor use of the ball, regularly sending it down the middle to unmarked Kilkenny players, and resorting to high lobs into the Kilkenny goal area which yielded little return.

Kilkenny CBS, by contrast, had no problems with their close control while their ability to win ball in the air set them apart from their opponents. Yet despite all this, CnD could well have won this game had they made good use of a host of scoring chances in the third quarter which could have put them out of sight.

Playing with the stiff wind blowing into the city end, Kilkenny CBS demonstrated right away that they were not there just to make up the numbers, and were almost completely on top in the first quarter, as CnD were unable to get any decent possession in midfield or in their half forward line. An early goal (after CnD goalie Eoin Kearns had made a superb block) threatened to open the flood gates, but a resolute CnD defence and some poor shooting meant the visitors were making hardly any impact on the scoreboard. Through sheer hard work, CnD finally managed to get into the game, but they too struggled to find the range shooting against the wind. However, a superb point on the run from the left wing by midfield Colin Dunford provided a huge boost as CnD went in at half time just three points down, 1-3 to 0-3.

To my mind, the CnD mentors made a big mistake in moving left half back Tadhg Burke into the full back line early in the first half. This was done to plug a weakness, but it greatly reduced the impact on the game of possibly CnD’s finest hurler. To make matters worse, they left him there even when playing with the wind in the second half, and the impact he made when he was finally moved out suggests that the decision to move him back and then leave him there may have cost them the game.

However, this did not appear to be a problem in the third quarter when CnD took over the game, quickly eliminating the Kilkenny lead and moving three points ahead themselves, with corner forward Patrick Curran finishing a superb movement neatly to the net. However, CnD seemed to become preoccupied with scoring goals, with the result that several easy tap-over point chances went abegging.

CnD could well have been eight or nine points ahead when the inevitable Kilkenny fightback began. This fightback was sparked off by a very fortuitous and questionable goal which went straight to the CnD net from a 65 metre free, as the CnD goalie was put off by a swing from a Kilkenny forward who seemed to be well inside the square. Indeed, the referee, who was a long way out the field, appeared to be about to intervene, but when the umpire decisively put up the green flag he decided to leave things be.

Even then, CnD managed to get their nose in front on a couple of more occasions, but they could not shake off their opponents as the game finished level in ordinary time. Kilkenny got first use of the wind in extra time and certainly availed of it, shooting over four points without reply. When they scored another against the wind in the second period of extra time the writing seemed to be on the wall for CnD, but two points brought the gap down to a single goal, but although they laid siege to the Kilkenny goal in the closing minutes, and were awarded to close-in frees, CnD failed to breach the citadel and were still a goal behind when the referee blew the final whistle.

So Coláistí na Déise are now out of the All-Ireland competition, while the team they beat in the Harty Cup final, Nenagh CBS, have gone straight through to the semi-final after the Ulster Colleges team withdrew from the competition. Why do situations like this always seem to happen to Waterford teams? CnD will rue the 13 wides which they ran up here, although Kilkenny CBS had 12 wides of their own. CnD also had several shots in the first half which fell short against the wind, and several shots for goal blocked out by the Kilkenny defence, especially in the second half. Kilkenny were also that bit cuter when they had the ball in tight situations, which stood to them in the end.

Nevertheless, hats off to the Coláistí lads who showed over the last few weeks that they can play to a very high level, and provided us with great entertainment and a mighty boost to morale in the process. We look forward to seeing many of them in the Waterford jersey later in the year, and if they can reproduce what they are capable of, they could be there or thereabouts.

Coláistí na nDéise: Eoin Kearns; Keelan Looby; Tom Tobin; Seán O’Donovan; Evan Collins; Tom Devine; Tadhg Burke; Colin Dunford (0-1); Cormac Curran; Cathal Curran (0-7, 6 frees); Michael Harney (0-1); Ryan Donnelly (0-2); Michael Kiely; Kieran Power (0-1); Patrick Curran (1-0). Substitutes used: Kevin Sheehan; Christy Breathnach; Eamon Crotty.

mccarthy37 · 11-03-2012 1:14pm

Giveitfong wrote: »

Kilkenny CBS 2-12 Coláistí na nDéise 1-12

Coláistí na nDéise (CnD) made their exit from the All-Ireland Senior A Colleges Championship today when they were edged out after extra time by Kilkenny CBS an an exciting and hard-fought quarter final game in Walsh Park.

This was a very disappointing outcome as CnD failed to reproduce the terrific form which had seen them outplay St Flannans, De La Salle and Nenagh CBS in the Harty Cup competition. The superb first touch and excellent field craft which had been evident in all these games were largely absent today as the collective psychological malaise which can envelop entire teams in sport unfortunately cast its spell on the Dungarvan schools combination.

All over the field, and from start to finish, CnD players had difficulty in controlling incoming ball either in hand or on stick, and first, and even second and third, attempts to pick ball from the ground failed repeatedly. This allowed a highly committed Kilkenny outfit to get in tackles, win possession or bottle up CnD players when they did manage to get the ball in hand. As a result, the CnD players were constantly under pressure and unable to deliver the kinds of telling balls which had been a hallmark of their earlier displays. However, it has to be said that, even when in open country, the CnD lads more often than not made poor use of the ball, regularly sending it down the middle to unmarked Kilkenny players, and resorting to high lobs into the Kilkenny goal area which yielded little return.

Kilkenny CBS, by contrast, had no problems with their close control while their ability to win ball in the air set them apart from their opponents. Yet despite all this, CnD could well have won this game had they made good use of a host of scoring chances in the third quarter which could have put them out of sight.

Playing with the stiff wind blowing into the city end, Kilkenny CBS demonstrated right away that they were not there just to make up the numbers, and were almost completely on top in the first quarter, as CnD were unable to get any decent possession in midfield or in their half forward line. An early goal (after CnD goalie Eoin Kearns had made a superb block) threatened to open the flood gates, but a resolute CnD defence and some poor shooting meant the visitors were making hardly any impact on the scoreboard. Through sheer hard work, CnD finally managed to get into the game, but they too struggled to find the range shooting against the wind. However, a superb point on the run from the left wing by midfield Colin Dunford provided a huge boost as CnD went in at half time just three points down, 1-3 to 0-3.

To my mind, the CnD mentors made a big mistake in moving left half back Tadhg Burke into the full back line early in the first half. This was done to plug a weakness, but it greatly reduced the impact on the game of possibly CnD’s finest hurler. To make matters worse, they left him there even when playing with the wind in the second half, and the impact he made when he was finally moved out suggests that the decision to move him back and then leave him there may have cost them the game.

However, this did not appear to be a problem in the third quarter when CnD took over the game, quickly eliminating the Kilkenny lead and moving three points ahead themselves, with corner forward Patrick Curran finishing a superb movement neatly to the net. However, CnD seemed to become preoccupied with scoring goals, with the result that several easy tap-over point chances went abegging.

CnD could well have been eight or nine points ahead when the inevitable Kilkenny fightback began. This fightback was sparked off by a very fortuitous and questionable goal which went straight to the CnD net from a 65 metre free, as the CnD goalie was put off by a swing from a Kilkenny forward who seemed to be well inside the square. Indeed, the referee, who was a long way out the field, appeared to be about to intervene, but when the umpire decisively put up the green flag he decided to leave things be.

Even then, CnD managed to get their nose in front on a couple of more occasions, but they could not shake off their opponents as the game finished level in ordinary time. Kilkenny got first use of the wind in extra time and certainly availed of it, shooting over four points without reply. When they scored another against the wind in the second period of extra time the writing seemed to be on the wall for CnD, but two points brought the gap down to a single goal, but although they laid siege to the Kilkenny goal in the closing minutes, and were awarded to close-in frees, CnD failed to breach the citadel and were still a goal behind when the referee blew the final whistle.

So Coláistí na Déise are now out of the All-Ireland competition, while the team they beat in the Harty Cup final, Nenagh CBS, have gone straight through to the semi-final after the Ulster Colleges team withdrew from the competition. Why do situations like this always seem to happen to Waterford teams? CnD will rue the 13 wides which they ran up here, although Kilkenny CBS had 12 wides of their own. CnD also had several shots in the first half which fell short against the wind, and several shots for goal blocked out by the Kilkenny defence, especially in the second half. Kilkenny were also that bit cuter when they had the ball in tight situations, which stood to them in the end.

Nevertheless, hats off to the Coláistí lads who showed over the last few weeks that they can play to a very high level, and provided us with great entertainment and a mighty boost to morale in the process. We look forward to seeing many of them in the Waterford jersey later in the year, and if they can reproduce what they are capable of, they could be there or thereabouts.

Coláistí na nDéise: Eoin Kearns; Keelan Looby; Tom Tobin; Seán O’Donovan; Evan Collins; Tom Devine; Tadhg Burke; Colin Dunford (0-1); Cormac Curran; Cathal Curran (0-7, 6 frees); Michael Harney (0-1); Ryan Donnelly (0-2); Michael Kiely; Kieran Power (0-1); Patrick Curran (1-0). Substitutes used: Kevin Sheehan; Christy Breathnach; Eamon Crotty.

Great report as usual, yes that second goal scored by Kilkenny CBS was a square ball I had a clear view of it, the Ref bottled it, still on the day CBS were the better team overall. Heading down today without any hope.

hurler on de ditch · 11-03-2012 1:40pm

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Great report as usual, yes that second goal scored by Kilkenny CBS was a square ball I had a clear view of it, the Ref bottled it, still on the day CBS were the better team overall. Heading down today without any hope.

just over in ferrybank wat minors vs kk home win 1-13 ,,,0-13 mc nulty,stephen bennett,cian leamy very good ,over all very good performace

Cake Man · 11-03-2012 1:58pm

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

just over in ferrybank wat minors vs kk home win 1-13 ,,,0-13 mc nulty,stephen bennett,cian leamy very good ,over all very good performace

That's encouraging anyway, especially with the CnD lads to come in.

solarith · 11-03-2012 3:19pm

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

just over in ferrybank wat minors vs kk home win 1-13 ,,,0-13 mc nulty,stephen bennett,cian leamy very good ,over all very good performace

Does a home win mean Waterford or Kilkenny won? ;D

Cake Man · 11-03-2012 5:29pm

Decent effort first half but couldn't keep it going for the second half. Gavin O'Brien and Martin O'Neill played well I thought. Molumphy and Paul O'Brien weren't bad either. KK were well able to move up the gears when they had to.

Tipp in Thurles next Sunday, doesn't get much easier.

ArtVandelay76 · 11-03-2012 9:38pm

Cake Man wrote: »

Decent effort first half but couldn't keep it going for the second half. Gavin O'Brien and Martin O'Neill played well I thought. Molumphy and Paul O'Brien weren't bad either. KK were well able to move up the gears when they had to.

Tipp in Thurles next Sunday, doesn't get much easier.

Was listening to it on the wireless, they reckoned molumphy wasn't in the game at all today.

deisebhoy17 · 11-03-2012 10:19pm

Wasnt in Walsh Park today but a friend from KK I was talking to was spitting fire at the setup there. massive queus to get in even though the stand was only half full. missed a good chunk of the first half. apparantly you had to que for tickets aswell outside the ground?
Also baffled at the poor quality signage. only one little piece of cardboard with the price scribbled on with a marker, barely legible. I know times are tough financially but we are basically a laughing stock now. We really need to get out of Walsh Park and concentrate on upgrading carriganore.

mccarthy37 · 11-03-2012 10:26pm

Cake Man wrote: »

Decent effort first half but couldn't keep it going for the second half. Gavin O'Brien and Martin O'Neill played well I thought. Molumphy and Paul O'Brien weren't bad either. KK were well able to move up the gears when they had to.

Tipp in Thurles next Sunday, doesn't get much easier.

Looks like division 1B hurling next year for us. What a ridiculous statement from Scully after the match that he was happy with the first half performance, real defeatist talk, after all the gains we made in the last fourteen years its backwards we are quickly going. Will it be good enough to put in a good first half performance's in the next three games and still lose them all. It was galling to sit near Kilkenny people while they had a good laugh at some of moves Waterford made, we are clearly miles behind Kilkenny right now. Just as well Kilkenny didn't really put the foot down as they were playing well within themselves. Gavin O Brien was the one bright light on a very dark day. The evvergreen Tony Browne was his usual best, Martin O Neill was good but was beaten for pace a few times. I'll have to believe in miracles if Waterford are going to win anything this year its still early days who knows because i'll be f;;cked if I know.

KevIRL · 11-03-2012 10:32pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Wasnt in Walsh Park today but a friend from KK I was talking to was spitting fire at the setup there. massive queus to get in even though the stand was only half full. missed a good chunk of the first half. apparantly you had to que for tickets aswell outside the ground?
Also baffled at the poor quality signage. only one little piece of cardboard with the price scribbled on with a marker, barely legible. I know times are tough financially but we are basically a laughing stock now. We really need to get out of Walsh Park and concentrate on upgrading carriganore.

Not only this, but they ran out of match programmes as well

Mountainlad · 11-03-2012 10:38pm

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Looks like division 1B hurling next year for us. What a ridiculous statement from Scully after the match that he was happy with the first half performance, real defeatist talk, after all the gains we made in the last fourteen years its backwards we are quickly going. Will it be good enough to put in a good first half performance's in the next three games and still lose them all. It was galling to sit near Kilkenny people while they had a good laugh at some of moves Waterford made, we are clearly miles behind Kilkenny right now. Just as well Kilkenny didn't really put the foot down as they were playing well within themselves. Gavin O Brien was the one bright light on a very dark day. The evvergreen Tony Browne was his usual best, Martin O Neill was good but was beaten for pace a few times. I'll have to believe in miracles if Waterford are going to win anything this year its still early days who knows because i'll be f;;cked if I know.

We're going to get relegated because...we lost to the all-ireland champions?

To be fair, he has to put a positive spin on things when:

A) Everybody else is on his back about literally everything (I know there are several things that need criticism but people are reading far too much into thing and applying double standards by not weighing all things equal and discounting important counter arguments to the incessesant crticism which is continually being unleashed)

What good would it be if he mirrored the pessism of everybody, nách mór, that posts on this page or talks about the team in pubs and such? How would things ever improved if he started reeling off these phrases like "I don't know where we are going this year" or "We're porbably getting relegated"

And also, it did sound a bit more positive. I won't argue that Kilkenny probably weren't as up for it as 2 weeks ago, but sounds like we did pretty well first half. Also, few more faces returned today which is good to see, and apparently Shane Walsh and Ringo will be available next week. We're definetly in a better place than 2 weeks ago, albeit we're not in a great situation.

I might remind those that are on the verge of a breakdown from the stress of being relegated that even if we lose all 5 of our games, if we win the relegation playoff it doesn't matter at all and we'll still have Division 1A hurling next year (which is by no means the be all and end all either).

I wasn't at the match by the way, so I have nothing specific to say about it.

deisebhoy17 · 11-03-2012 10:42pm

Fierce negativity going on here. When are people going to realise that we are in transition? The great team we had over the last 15 years is gone and its about the future now. The few lads left from that era Brick, Mullane and Tony Browne aren't going to be around to keep digging us out of holes forever either so as much as I hate to say it its time for the public to lower their expectations.

The talk above indicates that theres absolutely no point even showing up against Tipp next week. I hope to God the players dont have a similar attitude. We are blooding a lot of young players and I think theyve been doing well. Division 1A hurling against the likes of a strong KK and Tipp lineups will stand to these lads. Its not like theyve been shown to be completely out of their depth we havent been getting hammered and have shown plenty of positives.
This manager wouldnt have been my first choice but lets just let them get on with it and see how we look at the business end of the season.

KevIRL · 11-03-2012 10:45pm

tbh, Div 1B next year may not be the worse thing ever. It will probably contain Limerick, Offaly, Wexford, Antrim and Carlow. There are a few competitve games there, and could be good for a young squad too. Also the winners go onto the league semi final so get a chance against the top teams in late spring just before the championship.

Worst thing about dropping down would be that we'd be going into this years championship on a serious losing run.

Trying not to be too pessimistic about this year, but its hard. We looked okay today in the first half against a KK team clearly not up for it, but still went in behind at HT. The stories coming out of training are most worrying though, and its hard to feel like Waterford are anything but a beaten docket this year unfortunately

Mountainlad · 11-03-2012 10:47pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Fierce negativity going on here. When are people going to realise that we are in transition? The great team we had over the last 15 years is gone and its about the future now. The few lads left from that era Brick, Mullane and Tony Browne aren't going to be around to keep digging us out of holes forever either so as much as I hate to say it its time for the public to lower their expectations.

The talk above indicates that theres absolutely no point even showing up against Tipp next week. I hope to God the players dont have a similar attitude. We are blooding a lot of young players and I think theyve been doing well. Division 1A hurling against the likes of a strong KK and Tipp lineups will stand to these lads. Its not like theyve been shown to be completely out of their depth we havent been getting hammered and have shown plenty of positives.
This manager wouldnt have been my first choice but lets just let them get on with it and see how we look at the business end of the season.

Agreed, and with a few players back next week hopefully we'll put it up to Tipp. Ultimately, as long as the performances keep improving than we're on the right track and hopefully we'll be strong enough come the end of the league/start of the championship.

hurler on de ditch · 11-03-2012 10:55pm

solarith wrote: »

Does a home win mean Waterford or Kilkenny won? ;D

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