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25-02-2021, 19:25   #1
 
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Should Wexford Waterford line reopen?

The south wexford line should not be turned into a greenway, it needs to be reopened.

Here is south east on track's business case, give it a read. There's alternatives to ripping up the track for a greenway.
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The south wexford line should not be turned into a greenway, it needs to be reopened.
Agreed, lines making key connections such as Rosslare-rest of country should be reopened as part of transition to a low-carbon economy (business case bedamned) and should not be turned into cycling routes.
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Agreed, lines making key connections such as Rosslare-rest of country should be reopened as part of transition to a low-carbon economy (business case bedamned) and should not be turned into cycling routes.
I hear the Clifden line is due for a comeback any day now
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I hear the Clifden line is due for a comeback any day now
I would say that reopening the Rosslare-Waterford line makes a lot more sense than reopening the Clifden-Galway line. I don't think that reopening Clifden-Galway would encourage enough people out of their cars to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but I do think that reopening Rosslare-Waterford would, if the timetable was different to the timetable it had just before it closed in 2010. For example, if a train runs from Waterford to Wexford town that reached Wexford town at around 8:30, in time for the start of the working day, and if a train runs from Wexford back to Waterford at the end of the working day, at around 17:30, then people who work in Wexford town and live in Waterford, or one of the intermediate villages, would be able to take the train to and from work. The 2010 timetable had a train from Rosslare to Waterford(fed by an Enniscorthy-Rosslare train) which arrived at Waterford at 08:23, and a train from Waterford back to Rosslare at around 17:00(not sure of the exact time), so it could have been used by people working in Waterford and living in Wexford town or the intermediate villages. However, there are more people working in Wexford town and living in Waterford and the intermediate villages than the amount who work in Waterford and live in Wexford and the intermediate villages, so I would say a Waterford-Wexford train arriving at Wexford at 08:30 and returning to Waterford, departing Wexford at 17:30, would be used by more passengers than the amount who used the service that was in operation in 2010 when the line closed.
The Waterford-Rosslare line could also be used to connect Waterford with the other towns on the Dublin-Rosslare line, such as Bray, Greystones and Arklow, if Waterford-Rosslare trains connect with Rosslare-Dublin ones at Rosslare, or even if you run Dublin to Waterford direct trains via Rosslare.

However, speaking of the Clifden-Galway line, a small section of it(6 kilometres) has been turned into a greenway, and I walked it and I thought it offered some beautiful scenery.
http://connemaragreenway.ie/about-2/

Another small section of it is being restored as a heritage railway
http://www.connemararailway.ie/
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Agreed, lines making key connections such as Rosslare-rest of country should be reopened as part of transition to a low-carbon economy (business case bedamned) and should not be turned into cycling routes.
I'm definitely not opposed, but I also think a Greenway in this region should go ahead.

In a world where Eamon Ryan has somehow actually gotten the promised 2:1 spending on public transport and its now baked in, say we have some really key network sections complete (Dual Limerick line + LJ rework, passing loops on Galway Line, Navan Line) and they are starting to look at expanding the network, what would be your wishlist for the Rosslare to Waterford route? (Including what you see as the vital improvements elsewhere to make it 'more viable')

Mine would include a greenway alongside the route on IÉ lands (minimising land negotiation nightmares) that would protect a potential future second line. Obviously passing loops etc would be factored in with this.
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Rosslare is a RORO port and that is booming. It has an existing rail connection but yet little interest in using it. Reinstating the South Wexford line would cost tens of millions to run trains past an existing bulk port receiving rail freight. There is also Marino Point for future potential freight on the existing network. Any trains would be diesel so no off-set of emissions. We'll likely see alternative fuels being applied here to road freight before rail freight anyway.

This thread is for greenways, there is an entire subforum for rail fantasies.
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The forum could do with renaming from Infrastructure to Roads + Greenways.
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The forum could do with renaming from Infrastructure to Roads + Greenways.
Plenty of rail threads in this forum too. This thread however is specifically for Greenways.
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Plenty of rail threads in this forum too. This thread however is specifically for Greenways.
I think there is a certain extent to which rail and greenways intersect, I don't think this is the place to just call for things like Southeast on Track, but it definitely would be the place to discuss possible routings if the Waterford Rosslaire line was to be retained.

It may be worth there being a thread specifically to discuss the restoration of the railways in a sustainable manner, looking at what projects would be needed to make the current network more viable, and by extension make new/revitalised routes more viable, including potentially changed routings/upgrades that would better serve the area than simply restoring the Victorian trackbed.
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Rosslare is a RORO port and that is booming. It has an existing rail connection but yet little interest in using it. Reinstating the South Wexford line would cost tens of millions to run trains past an existing bulk port receiving rail freight. There is also Marino Point for future potential freight on the existing network. Any trains would be diesel so no off-set of emissions. We'll likely see alternative fuels being applied here to road freight before rail freight anyway.

This thread is for greenways, there is an entire subforum for rail fantasies.
Why is reinstating the South Wexford line fantasy? It could be used for passenger trains. I still think that enough passengers would use it to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. I am aware that petrol and diesel cars can be replaced with electric cars and cleaner fuel cars, which is important to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but diesel trains can also be replaced with lower emitting trains, which would reduce greenhouse gas emissions even further. It is necessary for society to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions as much as possible.
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Why is reinstating the South Wexford line fantasy? It could be used for passenger trains. I still think that enough passengers would use it to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. I am aware that petrol and diesel cars can be replaced with electric cars and cleaner fuel cars, which is important to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but diesel trains can also be replaced with lower emitting trains, which would reduce greenhouse gas emissions even further. It is necessary for society to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions as much as possible.
How much emissions are produced by cyclists and walkers?
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How much emissions are produced by cyclists and walkers?
None, but I would say reinstating the Rosslare-Waterford railway would prevent hundreds of car journeys every day, almost none of which would be prevented by a greenway on the trackbed of the railway.
I enjoy walking and cycling on greenways, and I would say they have environmental benefits(like encouraging people to go on carless cycling holidays, or giving locals a chance to enjoy a carbon neutral walk) and my view is that an effort should be made to find a way to get a greenway in South Wexford that can co-exist with the Rosslare-Waterford railway. In other words, I think having both a greenway and a railway running through South Wexford is worth pursuing, as both offer environmental benefits, but neither of them alone offers the environmental benefits of the other.
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None, but I would say reinstating the Rosslare-Waterford railway would prevent hundreds of car journeys every day, almost none of which would be prevented by a greenway on the trackbed of the railway.
I enjoy walking and cycling on greenways, and I would say they have environmental benefits(like encouraging people to go on carless cycling holidays, or giving locals a chance to enjoy a carbon neutral walk) and my view is that an effort should be made to find a way to get a greenway in South Wexford that can co-exist with the Rosslare-Waterford railway. In other words, I think having both a greenway and a railway running through South Wexford is worth pursuing, as both offer environmental benefits, but neither of them alone offers the environmental benefits of the other.
I'm coming to this a bit late but was interested enough to look up the Google maps car journey time from Wexford railway station to Waterford railway station (43 minutes) and also to use railmaponline to check out the old railway line which seems to me to run through a very rural part of South Wexford with no significant population centres to feed passengers to a reopened line.

I live in Kildare, 6km from Kildare station with quite a lot of services to Dublin every day and most people I know who work in greater Dublin drive, not all but a significant majority, I just can't see where you get your faith, that if you build it they will come?
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Reinstating a railway line isn't just about the people that live on it or at the ends, it's about people in other parts of the country being able to use it too. For example, Limerick-Wexford or Cork-Rosslare.
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Reinstating a railway line isn't just about the people that live on it or at the ends, it's about people in other parts of the country being able to use it too. For example, Limerick-Wexford or Cork-Rosslare.
Fair enough, how much demand for that service do you forsee? Is it big enough to justify the investment considering there is a way to take the train from Limerick to Rosslare already, though not very convenient I'll admit
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