Bus Eireann N3/M3 Corridor Route & Timetable Changes - Phase 3

devnull · 23-09-2017 2:03pm

Long list of cancellations today from the Bus Eireann website.

We regret to advise customers that the following services will be cancelled today due to operational difficulties.

Route 109A
20:40 Kells to Dublin (next service 21:40)
22:15 DAP to Kells (next service 23:15)
02:40 Kells to Dublin (next service 03:40)
04:25 Dublin to Kells (next service 05:25)

Route 133
13.00 Wicklow to DAP (next service 14:00)
16:30 DAP to Wicklow (next service 16:45)
19:00 Wicklow to Dublin (next service 20:00)
21:40 Dublin to Wicklow (next service 22:40)

Route NX
18.40 Wilton Terrace to Navan (next service 19:00)
20.30 Navan to Dublin (next service 21:00)

Route 103
08.30 Dublin/Ratoath (Next Service 09.00)
09.32 Ratoath/Dublin (Next Service 10.02)
11.30 Dublin/Ratoath (Next Service 12:00)
12:32 Ratoath/Dublin (Next Service 13.02)
13:20 Dublin to Ratoath (next service 13:40)
14:22 Ratoath to Dublin (next service 14:42)
15:40 Dublin to Ratoath(next service 16:00)
16:42 Ratoath to Dublin (next service 17:02)
18:30 Dublin to Ratoath (next service 19:00)
19:32 Ratoath to Dublin (next service 20:02)
21:00 Dublin to Ratoath (next service 21:30)
22:02 Ratoath to Dublin (next service 22:32)
23.00 Dublin to Ratoath (next service 23:30)
00:02 Ratoath to Dublin (next service 00:32)

Route 126
12:00 Dublin to Kildare (next service 13:30)
13.30 Kildare to Dublin (next service 15:45)

Slippin Jimmy · 23-09-2017 2:06pm

The 103 got fairly hammered out of it. The NX got off surprisingly light.

TheQuietFella · 23-09-2017 7:45pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

Precisely but yet BE management seem to stick their heads in the sand, unlike the airline which admitted its failings.

But Bus Eireann are not telling their staff that they have six weeks unpaid leave!

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/work-in-alternative-location-at-your-own-cost-during-quiet-period-or-opt-for-unpaid-leave-ryanair-letter-to-cabin-crew-36159057.html

LXFlyer · 23-09-2017 7:48pm

TheQuietFella wrote: »

But Bus Eireann are not telling their staff that they have six weeks unpaid leave!

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/work-in-alternative-location-at-your-own-cost-during-quiet-period-or-opt-for-unpaid-leave-ryanair-letter-to-cabin-crew-36159057.html

No they are not, but until today Bus Eireann hadn't even:
1) Admitted there was a problem
2) Informed customers that departures were cancelled
3) Buried their head in the sand

This is all about communication with customers. In BE's case it has been non-existent.

TheQuietFella · 23-09-2017 7:53pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

No they are not, but until today Bus Eireann hadn't even:
1) Admitted there was a problem
2) Informed customers that departures were cancelled
3) Buried their head in the sand

This is all about communication with customers. In BE's case it has been non-existent.

Very like Ryan Air and they sent Ray Hernan from Ryan Air into Bus Eireann to sort out the problems they were having!!! I ask you!!!!

LXFlyer · 23-09-2017 8:00pm

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Very like Ryan Air and they sent Ray Hernan from Ryan Air into Bus Eireann to sort out the problems they were having!!! I ask you!!!!

I merely referenced Ryanair as their CEO held his hands up pretty much straight away and admitted the problem.

Not communicating effectively with customers when something goes wrong is something of a dark art within the three CIE Group companies, lest management be seen to be weak in the eyes of the unions.

It is scandalous that it has taken 6 days of mass cancellations for a notice such as this to appear.

TheQuietFella · 23-09-2017 8:45pm

What has led to the mass cancellations of services? Is it staffing issues?

Slippin Jimmy · 23-09-2017 9:03pm

TheQuietFella wrote: »

What has led to the mass cancellations of services? Is it staffing issues?

That's what the general feeling here is.

TheQuietFella · 23-09-2017 9:18pm

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

That's what the general feeling here is.

So our transport minister couldn't get involved during the strike!

Ye have staffing issues of which I can only assume, a driver shortage?
And with the stream lining of the business I'm sure that means
redundancies for some staff which means in some part, drivers!

I wonder if the Ryan Air pilots can be seconded to work as bus drivers?

horseburger · 24-09-2017 5:16am

Taking the 103 cancellations on Saturday, as an example, did it mean that there were maybe three or four drivers unavailable to run the 103 services on Saturday, considering there were 14 cancelled services?

I ask this, wondering if the 103 services are operated, in such a way, that the drivers do a full circle route from Dublin to Ratoath and then back again to Dublin as soon as they drop off passengers in Ratoath?

As soon as they get to Ratoath from Dublin, do they return back on the next scheduled service from Ratoath to Dublin?

What does "operational issues" mean?

There are "disruptions" listed for Sunday 24th September on the Bus Éireann website:
http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2392&month=Sep

"Midnight
We regret to advise customers in the Eastern region of disruptions to the following services today due to operational issues:
Route 111
10.45 Athboy/Dublin
16.15 Dublin/Athboy
18:45 Athboy/Dublin
21:15 Dublin/Athboy
Route 109A
01.40 Kells/Dublin
03.25 Dublin/Kells
07:40 Kells/DAP
09.15 DAP/Kells
Route 133
09.00 Wicklow/Dublin
11.40 Dublin/Wicklow
15.00 Wicklow/Dublin
We apologise for any inconvenience these disruptions may cause our customers."

If the services are cancelled, why isn't the word cancelled, used in the press statement?

The word cancelled was used in the Bus Éireann press release, which was highlighted above, by devnull, but this more recent item, uses the phrase "disruptions", which is interesting.

Commuter109 · 24-09-2017 7:45pm

Lucky to have had two days off last week, and stayed clear of BE for the other days given the reports that were coming out .

Looking at options for tomorrow . There are something like 10 buses arriving in the square between 6 and 740 am and the can't offer as much as one true express service ?

7:20 or so really is a crunch time for those starting work or college in the city at 9 . Just having a quick look at the time table.

Current options are a slow coach at 7.25 that will purported hit o Connell street at 8:39 or an "express service " at 7:20 that will do the same by 8:33.

So BE's idea of an express service at a key time is one minute quicker ðŸ™„ðŸ™„ðŸ™„

Sillian on the other hand at least claim there 7.20 will have you in for 8:13 , so will definitely take them up on that to see how it goes .

Still can't believe they have scrapped the true express services morning and evening that worked so well .

This new timetable has so many flaws I think it's definitely another nail in the BE coffin .

horseburger · 25-09-2017 3:54am

Commuter109 wrote: »

Lucky to have had two days off last week, and stayed clear of BE for the other days given the reports that were coming out .

Looking at options for tomorrow . There are something like 10 buses arriving in the square between 6 and 740 am and the can't offer as much as one true express service ?

7:20 or so really is a crunch time for those starting work or college in the city at 9 . Just having a quick look at the time table.

Current options are a slow coach at 7.25 that will purported hit o Connell street at 8:39 or an "express service " at 7:20 that will do the same by 8:33.

So BE's idea of an express service at a key time is one minute quicker ��

Sillian on the other hand at least claim there 7.20 will have you in for 8:13 , so will definitely take them up on that to see how it goes .

Still can't believe they have scrapped the true express services morning and evening that worked so well .

This new timetable has so many flaws I think it's definitely another nail in the BE coffin .

Do you not see any positives at all. in the new timetables for the services between Cavan and Dublin?

Cavan and Virginia passengers have more options of services that avoid Navan and Dunshaughlin.

The 109X Cavan Dublin services that do serve Navan, stop and pick up at the Navan Fire Station Abbey Road stop, meaning they don't have to go through Trimgate Street and the Market Square.

There are far more services to and from Dublin and Navan which are scheduled every 20 minutes. People who live in Johnstown have more options for getting to and from Navan town centre, and to and from Johnstown and Dublin.

There are more services for people in Johnstown getting to and from Dublin.

Navan passengers have services to and from Dublin throughout the whole day that avoid Clonee and Dunshaughlin. Navan passengers don't have to wait at Market Square for a bus coming from Cavan, which might be late.

They can get the NX bus, that is scheduled to leave from Navan every 20 minutes, to and from Navan Market Square and Wilton Terrace. The NX From Dublin picks up at Wilton Terrace and Beresford Place, instead of starting from Bus Aras. Some posters, in this forum, were unhappy that 109 services, to and from Dublin and Navan, started from Bus Aras when going to Navan.

Previously, at Navan Market Square, if passengers missed any of the 109 services that started in Kells at 15 minutes past the hour - which were generally on time for the stop at Navan at 35 minutes past the hour - you might be waiting at Navan Market Square for 40 plus minutes for the next scheduled 109 services at 5 past the hour, that started in Cavan on the previous hour.

The buses from Cavan to Dublin that were scheduled to be in Navan at 5 past the hour, were often delayed by 10-15 minutes.

These Cavan - Dublin 109 services were often 10-15 minutes late when they got to the Market Square bus stop, after coming from Kells, where they were scheduled to drop off and pick up at Kells at 45 minutes past the hour, and often, heavy traffic when entering Navan town centre, contributed further to that delay.

Passengers for the Berkeley Road Mater Hospital area stop can still get there, on the 109 Kells Navan Dunshaughlin Dublin route.

I would imagine, that if it can be shown to Bus Éireann and The NTA, that there would be enough people going direct to and from Navan and Dublin City Centre, at particular times in the morning and evening, that Bus Éireann and The NTA would be receptive to the idea of reinstating the direct services that had been operating.

gazzer · 25-09-2017 7:51am

Got the 109x yesterday from Dublin to Virginia. Only took 85 minutes. Brilliant improvement on the 109 imo

Cannon_fodder · 25-09-2017 5:33pm

Horseburger, a few select videos to bus eireann's twitter account might make the visual aspect of the issue more front and face in the public eye. A video of the queues and their new digital bus tops might raise the profile of the issue.

Navan needs a better service than this.

Meanwhile on the train, one can gauge ones time to work to the nearest minute.

horseburger · 25-09-2017 7:09pm

Cannon_fodder wrote: »

Horseburger, a few select videos to bus eireann's twitter account might make the visual aspect of the issue more front and face in the public eye. A video of the queues and their new digital bus tops might raise the profile of the issue.

Navan needs a better service than this.

Meanwhile on the train, one can gauge ones time to work to the nearest minute.

I know that at certain times of the morning, to Dublin, and from Dublin in the evening, that there'd be enough passengers to and from Navan Market Square and Dublin City Centre, to run an express service, with no stops in between, like the 109 at 5.30pm and 6.30pm that used to go out the Port Tunnell from Dublin.

The other aspect of it is, that at other times, I am not sure that there would be enough people at the Market Square, going to Dublin to fill a bus that wouldn't stop anywhere in between Navan Market Square and Dublin City Centre.

Someone, in an earlier post, expressed displeasure about the NX serving Blanchardstown Slip Road.

This poster suggested that Blanchardstown Slip Road should be covered on the 109 service instead of the NX.

The NX serves Johnstown, and perhaps there are passengers at Blanchardstown Slip Road, taking the NX service, from Wilton Terrace, Beresford Place and Blanchardstown Slip Road, for Johnstown.

The 109 service no longer serves Johnstown. The 109 services that used to leave from Bus Aras at 30 minutes past the hour, Monday to Friday, and the 109 services at 5 minutes to the hour from Navan Market Square to Dublin, Monday to Friday, used to serve Johnstown.

They don't anymore, since 17th September.

If the NX didn't serve Johnstown, which service should serve Johnstown?

The 109 covers Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Clonee, Blanchardstown Slip Road and Dublin city centre.

What other service should cover Johnstown, to and from Navan and Dublin?

If the NX didn't serve Johnstown, and the 109 did, is it reasonable to expect passengers from Kells who are going to Dublin, to also have to go through Johnstown, as well as Navan, Dunshaughlin, and Clonee?

Cannon_fodder · 25-09-2017 8:25pm

Saw at least 8 people at the bus stop in Johnstown SC this morning. A bloody feeder bus to hog them down the town is what is required and leave the provincial service leave the town without acting as local short hop bus.
At the early hours between 6.30 and 8 such a service should be circulating every 20 mins.

A bit of imagination by BE and it would be a better service.

The 109 and not the NX should service BSC. An xpress service is town to town or Navan to Dublin.

horseburger · 25-09-2017 9:21pm

Cannon_fodder wrote: »

Saw at least 8 people at the bus stop in Johnstown SC this morning. A bloody feeder bus to hog them down the town is what is required and leave the provincial service leave the town without acting as local short hop bus.
At the early hours between 6.30 and 8 such a service should be circulating every 20 mins.

A bit of imagination by BE and it would be a better service.

The 109 and not the NX should service BSC. An xpress service is town to town or Navan to Dublin.

I am not sure that there'd be enough people at any one bus stop at any scheduled time, except at certain times of the morning an evening, to justify running express services throughout the day, to and from locations, that did not serve intermediate stops.

Neither the 109, NX, or 109X buses serve Blanchardstown Shopping Centre anymore.

The 109, 109X and NX buses, serve the Blanchardstown Slip Roads to and from Dublin.

The issue is that there are passengers for Johnstown, who have been getting the NX, at Wilton Terrace, Beresford Place and Blanchardstown Slip Road, going to Johnstown.

I'm sure they don't want to go through Clonee or Dunshaughlin, on the 109 service - any more than passengers who go to and from Dublin city centre and Navan Market Square - and then have to wait for a connecting service to Johnstown from Navan town centre.

If there was a feeder bus, operating in the morning, in the way you suggest between 6.30am and 8am, then, I guess it would operate in the evening, between around 6pm and 8pm, to bring passengers back to Johnstown?

If the NX stopped serving Blanchardstown Slip Road, and there was a limited feeder bus service at particular times in the morning and evening, to and from Navan town centre and Johnstown, then for most of the day and evening until the last NX service to and from Navan and Dublin, the passengers for Johnstown, going to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Road, getting off the 109 at the Mercy Convent stop in Navan, would have no bus service to Johnstown, unless a feeder bus operated throughout the same time as the NX is scheduled to operate, all day until late evening.

It is very hard for any bus company to make timetable changes that receives the approval of all its customers.

For example, a follow on from the changes is that the NX service does not serve the Mater Hospital Berkeley Road Stop, where previously the 109 services that covered Navan Market Square to Johnstown, and on to Dublin, did stop at the Mater Hospital stop at Berkeley Road.

tom23 · 26-09-2017 11:44am

Cannon_fodder wrote: »

Horseburger, a few select videos to bus eireann's twitter account might make the visual aspect of the issue more front and face in the public eye. A video of the queues and their new digital bus tops might raise the profile of the issue.

Navan needs a better service than this.

Meanwhile on the train, one can gauge ones time to work to the nearest minute.

Totally agree Cannon Fodder. This seems to be lost on some people who all they do is cut and paste - cut and paste bland open ended posts with no substance and no solutions.

An express service for Navan, dictated by its condensed population makes sense. Not one every 20 minutes but at extreme peak times. A reliable service where you know that its going to arrive and depart on time Monday to Friday. Would I pay extra for this? I surely would. How hard of a concept is that?

tom23 · 26-09-2017 11:46am

Cannon_fodder wrote: »

Saw at least 8 people at the bus stop in Johnstown SC this morning. A bloody feeder bus to hog them down the town is what is required and leave the provincial service leave the town without acting as local short hop bus.
At the early hours between 6.30 and 8 such a service should be circulating every 20 mins.

A bit of imagination by BE and it would be a better service.

The 109 and not the NX should service BSC. An xpress service is town to town or Navan to Dublin.

Exactly. This seems to be lost on Horseburger. One waits now for 1000 word reply to this post.

tom23 · 26-09-2017 11:58am

gazzer wrote: »

Got the 109x yesterday from Dublin to Virginia. Only took 85 minutes. Brilliant improvement on the 109 imo

Very impressive. Took the NX home from Dublin to see what it was like and it took the same time. While I thought that was OK, to Virginia its very very impressive. At lease some good has come out of these new changes.

horseburger · 26-09-2017 12:13pm

tom23 wrote: »

Exactly. This seems to be lost on Horseburger. One waits now for 1000 word reply to this post.

No Tom23.

This is not lost on me.

I never said that there shouldn't be express services. I questioned how full an express service would be to and from Navan Market Square and Dublin, throughout the whole day, that didn't stop in places like Johnstown or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads.

I asked this because very often at Market Square there wouldn't be more than 10 or 12 people getting on the bus for Dublin, at times throughout the day, and often there'd be less than that.

I questioned how successful express services would be, from places like Kells and Virginia to Dublin.

I questioned this for a number of reasons.

The 109 buses from Cavan to Dublin on the previous timetable were able to accommodate passengers at all intermediate points; Virginia, Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee.

A company tried a service in October 2013, which picked up in Virginia going to Dublin, avoiding Kells, Navan and Dunshaughlin, and it lasted about three weeks.

As far as I am aware, Bus Éireann has never operated express services from Kells to Dublin, or Virginia to Dublin.

I guess neither Bus Éireann or the NTA think they would be viable. I guess this is why Bus Éireann and the NTA, have maintained the Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Dublin 109 route.

At times of the day, other than at certain times in the morning and evening, very often only a handful of people get on the buses for Dublin at Market Square.

That's the issue, that there aren't enough people getting on at Navan Market Square, at any one time, except certain times in the morning and evening, to justify not stopping at other locations.

Taking that into consideration, is it reasonable to expect passengers from Kells who are going to Dublin on the 109, who also have to go through Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee, to have to go through Johnstown, as suggested in an earlier post, and Blanchardstown Slip Road, as suggested by the poster above - a comment which received your endorsement, in a scenario where the NX didn't cover the Blanchardstown Slip Roads?

What service should places like Johnstown have, to and from Dublin, or to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Johnstown, in a scenario where the NX didn't serve Johnstown, or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, and there was just a feeder bus to and from Johnstown and Navan Market Square only in the morning and again in the evening?

Or do you just think that any bus that you don't use, should serve places you don't want to go through, and disregard the passengers who go to Dublin from further out than Navan, who don't want to go through places like Dunshaughlin and Clonee, any more than passengers to and from Dublin, who get the buses at Navan.

Is your suggestion, just that the 109, should cover Johnstown, because it's a service you won't need to take?

The only service that would satisfy everyone, is that if everyone had an express service from their area to and from Dublin; Cavan to and from Dublin, Virginia to and from Dublin, Kells to and from Dublin, Navan to and from Dublin, Dunshaughlin to and from Dublin, services that start and end at each location that do not stop anywhere else, but it seems to me, that having separate express services, from each of these locations, to Dublin, is not viable.

Commuter109 · 26-09-2017 1:30pm

horseburger wrote: »

No Tom23.

This is not lost on me.

I never said that there shouldn't be express services. I questioned how full an express service would be to and from Navan Market Square and Dublin, throughout the whole day, that didn't stop in places like Johnstown or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads.

I asked this because very often at Market Square there wouldn't be more than 10 or 12 people getting on the bus for Dublin, at times throughout the day, and often there'd be less than that.

I questioned how successful express services would be, from places like Kells and Virginia to Dublin.

I questioned this for a number of reasons.

The 109 buses from Cavan to Dublin on the previous timetable were able to accommodate passengers at all intermediate points; Virginia, Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee.

A company tried a service in October 2013, which picked up in Virginia going to Dublin, avoiding Kells, Navan and Dunshaughlin, and it lasted about three weeks.

As far as I am aware, Bus Éireann has never operated express services from Kells to Dublin, or Virginia to Dublin.

I guess neither Bus Éireann or the NTA think they would be viable. I guess this is why Bus Éireann and the NTA, have maintained the Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Dublin 109 route.

At times of the day, other than at certain times in the morning and evening, very often only a handful of people get on the buses for Dublin at Market Square.

That's the issue, that there aren't enough people getting on at Navan Market Square, at any one time, except certain times in the morning and evening, to justify not stopping at other locations.

Taking that into consideration, is it reasonable to expect passengers from Kells who are going to Dublin on the 109, who also have to go through Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee, to have to go through Johnstown, as suggested in an earlier post, and Blanchardstown Slip Road, as suggested by the poster above - a comment which received your endorsement, in a scenario where the NX didn't cover the Blanchardstown Slip Roads?

What service should places like Johnstown have, to and from Dublin, or to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Johnstown, in a scenario where the NX didn't serve Johnstown, or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, and there was just a feeder bus to and from Johnstown and Navan Market Square only in the morning and again in the evening?

Or do you just think that any bus that you don't use, should serve places you don't want to go through, and disregard the passengers who go to Dublin from further out than Navan, who don't want to go through places like Dunshaughlin and Clonee, any more than passengers to and from Dublin, who get the buses at Navan.

Is your suggestion, just that the 109, should cover Johnstown, because it's a service you won't need to take?

The only service that would satisfy everyone, is that if everyone had an express service from their area to and from Dublin; Cavan to and from Dublin, Virginia to and from Dublin, Kells to and from Dublin, Navan to and from Dublin, Dunshaughlin to and from Dublin, services that start and end at each location that do not stop anywhere else, but it seems to me, that having separate express services, from each of these locations, to Dublin, is not viable.

Folks, it is very obvious to me at least that there are a number of us here who are having a conversation about express services to and from Navan at peak times , and another individual appears to be arguing with himself around express services along the whole route peak and non peak hours.

My experience of the NX to date has been shaky to say the least. 1 hour 33 to O O'Connell street on Monday and circa 1 hour 23 this morning. Two buses ( 5.40 and 6.00) simply not showing yesterday evening. The numbers getting on in the square being at least twice those getting on on all other stops combined as far as Garlow. 2 to 3 people out of a bus load using the Blanch slip road.

tom23 · 26-09-2017 2:01pm

horseburger wrote: »

No Tom23.

This is not lost on me.

I never said that there shouldn't be express services. I questioned how full an express service would be to and from Navan Market Square and Dublin, throughout the whole day, that didn't stop in places like Johnstown or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads.

I asked this because very often at Market Square there wouldn't be more than 10 or 12 people getting on the bus for Dublin, at times throughout the day, and often there'd be less than that.

I questioned how successful express services would be, from places like Kells and Virginia to Dublin.

I questioned this for a number of reasons.

The 109 buses from Cavan to Dublin on the previous timetable were able to accommodate passengers at all intermediate points; Virginia, Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee.

A company tried a service in October 2013, which picked up in Virginia going to Dublin, avoiding Kells, Navan and Dunshaughlin, and it lasted about three weeks.

As far as I am aware, Bus Éireann has never operated express services from Kells to Dublin, or Virginia to Dublin.

I guess neither Bus Éireann or the NTA think they would be viable. I guess this is why Bus Éireann and the NTA, have maintained the Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Dublin 109 route.

At times of the day, other than at certain times in the morning and evening, very often only a handful of people get on the buses for Dublin at Market Square.

That's the issue, that there aren't enough people getting on at Navan Market Square, at any one time, except certain times in the morning and evening, to justify not stopping at other locations.

Taking that into consideration, is it reasonable to expect passengers from Kells who are going to Dublin on the 109, who also have to go through Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee, to have to go through Johnstown, as suggested in an earlier post, and Blanchardstown Slip Road, as suggested by the poster above - a comment which received your endorsement, in a scenario where the NX didn't cover the Blanchardstown Slip Roads?

What service should places like Johnstown have, to and from Dublin, or to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Johnstown, in a scenario where the NX didn't serve Johnstown, or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, and there was just a feeder bus to and from Johnstown and Navan Market Square only in the morning and again in the evening?

Or do you just think that any bus that you don't use, should serve places you don't want to go through, and disregard the passengers who go to Dublin from further out than Navan, who don't want to go through places like Dunshaughlin and Clonee, any more than passengers to and from Dublin, who get the buses at Navan.

Is your suggestion, just that the 109, should cover Johnstown, because it's a service you won't need to take?

The only service that would satisfy everyone, is that if everyone had an express service from their area to and from Dublin; Cavan to and from Dublin, Virginia to and from Dublin, Kells to and from Dublin, Navan to and from Dublin, Dunshaughlin to and from Dublin, services that start and end at each location that do not stop anywhere else, but it seems to me, that having separate express services, from each of these locations, to Dublin, is not viable.

I would disagree I think there is scope to run an express service. As I said not all departures need to be express just a select few at peak times. And I ll keep saying the 07:05 and 07:20 where very very popular? Why?

horseburger · 26-09-2017 2:05pm

Commuter109 wrote: »

Folks, it is very obvious to me at least that there are a number of us here who are having a conversation about express services to and from Navan at peak times , and another individuals appears to be arguing with himself around express services along the whole route peak and non peak hours.

My experience of the NX to date has been shaky to say the least. 1 hour 33 to O O'Connell street on Monday and circa 1 hour 23 this morning. Two buses ( 5.40 and 6.00) simply not showing yesterday evening. The numbers getting on in the square being at least twice those getting on on all other stops combined as far as Garlow. 2 to 3 people out of a bus load using the Blanch slip road.

"Folks",

I am asking, if there are more express services, how these would operate. I am asking this with consideration to the issue that people who take buses to and from Dublin, don't particularly want to have to go through the next intermediate town that they do not go to.

I mentioned the issue of express services to and from places like Virginia, and Kells, and whether or not they would be viable, with regard to my understanding, that Bus Éireann has never operated separate express services to and from Virginia and Dublin, or to and from Kells and Dublin, that didn't stop anywhere in between.

I mentioned this issue, to suggest that Bus Éireann might consider that separate express services from places like Virginia and Kells to Dublin, would not be viable, if there isn't enough people going to and from Virginia and Kells and Dublin, at any one time, to justify running a bus that didn't stop anywhere else before Dublin.

"Folks", I mentioned these issues, about services to and from Viriginia, Kells and Dublin, to consider why Bus Éireann and NTA, have decided on the particular changes to the overall Cavan Dublin services - which include intermediate stops on both the 109 and 109X services - and not just the changes to the Navan Dublin services.

I am asking what services would people consider should be put in place for places like Johnstown and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, for people who are at Johnstown going to and from Dublin, and people going to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Johnstown, if the NX didn't serve Johnstown or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, as has been suggested by posters above.

The people who are suggesting the NX should not serve Johnstown or Blanchardstown Slip Roads, are not coming up with much of an answer.

The 109 no longer serves Johnstown, so that is not an alternative suggestion. The NX serves Johnstown.

"Folks", you might notice that I didn't need to underline any of my text.

tom23 · 26-09-2017 2:06pm

horseburger wrote: »

"Folks",

I am asking what services would people consider should be put in place for places like Johnstown and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, for people who are at Johnstown going to and from Dublin, and people going to and from Blanchardstown from Johnstown, if the NX didn't serve Johnston or Blanchardstown, as has been suggested by posters above.

The people who are suggesting the NX should not serve Johnstown or Blanchardstown, are not coming up with much of an answer.

The 109 no longer serves Johnstown, so that is not an alternative suggestion. The NX serves Johnstown.

Who's asking Horseburger, NTA or BE? And you say you work for who again?

tom23 · 26-09-2017 2:12pm

horseburger wrote: »

"Folks",

I am asking what services would people consider should be put in place for places like Johnstown and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, for people who are at Johnstown going to and from Dublin, and people going to and from Blanchardstown from Johnstown, if the NX didn't serve Johnston or Blanchardstown, as has been suggested by posters above.

The people who are suggesting the NX should not serve Johnstown or Blanchardstown, are not coming up with much of an answer.

The 109 no longer serves Johnstown, so that is not an alternative suggestion. The NX serves Johnstown.

Ok take Johnston, what folks living on Balreask Manor, Slane Road, all have to walk a considerable distance to get a bus stop.

Fine if we have to serve Johnstown, you run your express from MARKET SQAURE and then Johnstown Stops and then back on the motorway at Navan, thats the trade off at NOT stopping at Blanch. Down the Navan road. at least 2-3 from the early morning peak departures would do. Thats an Express.

horseburger · 26-09-2017 2:17pm

tom23 wrote: »

I would disagree I think there is scope to run an express service. As I said not all departures need to be express just a select few at peak times. And I ll keep saying the 07:05 and 07:20 where very very popular? Why?

I never said there shouldn't be express services, where there is enough people at particular times to and from Dublin. I have emphasised that a number of times.

I said that the only measure that would satisfy all passengers, would be express services from each location between Cavan and Dublin to and from Dublin. That is what I suggested would not be viable, because I don't think you'd have enough people at any one bus stop, at any one time, throughout the whole day, to merit each bus being an express service.

I am not sure that, outside of particular times in the morning and evening, to and from Dublin, that there would be enough people at Market Square, to merit a service from Navan Market Square to Dublin, not stopping at any other intermediate stops.

I think Bus Éireann and the NTA have decided to include Johnstown and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads on the NX route throughout the day, because it is only at particular times in the morning and evening to and from Dublin, that there'd be enough people, at Market Square to Dublin, and from Dublin to Navan town centre, to fill certain services.

Other times, there's room for passengers at the Market Square and Johnstown.

horseburger · 26-09-2017 2:19pm

tom23 wrote: »

Who's asking Horseburger, NTA or BE? And you say you work for who again?

very funny, tom23, very funny.

horseburger · 26-09-2017 2:22pm

tom23 wrote: »

Ok take Johnston, what folks living on Balreask Manor, Slane Road, all have to walk a considerable distance to get a bus stop.

Fine if we have to serve Johnstown, you run your express from MARKET SQAURE and then Johnstown Stops and then back on the motorway at Navan, thats the trade off at NOT stopping at Blanch. Down the Navan road. at least 2-3 from the early morning peak departures would do. Thats an Express.

Thanks for your suggestion as to how the issue might be resolved.

It's better than making snide remarks.

tom23 · 26-09-2017 3:47pm

horseburger wrote: »

Thanks for your suggestion as to how the issue might be resolved.

It's better than making snide remarks.

Your welcome. I think this version of an express is fair, Johnstown gets served. Commuters from Navan get their Express back and everyone is happy. Another way to speed up this Express is LEAP CARDs only, no fumbling with large bank notes and internet tickets.

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