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17-02-2007, 23:32   #1
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Brick

I googled for a previous thread on this but couldn't find one so here I am. I saw that ioxy called it the most over-pretentious film of 2006. Understandable considering the directors name is Ryan but he changed the spelling to Rian , says a lot.

Regardless I really enjoyed this movie and thought it was successful in it's originality and style. I think there is always the possibility that a film striving for originality can come across as contrived but I think it worked. I liked the film noir aspect and thought that the dialogue was excellent if a little trying at times. I also found the various characters brilliant especially 'the pin'. Oh and the main theme tune was great.

Anyone else enjoy this?
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Enjoyed it immensely.

I can see how people could be annoyed by it by I think it manages to walk a fine line and get away with it.

Joesph Gordon Levitt sure can take a beating!
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Regardless I really enjoyed this movie and thought it was successful in it's originality and style. I think there is always the possibility that a film striving for originality can come across as contrived but I think it worked.
I hated it because it wasnt original...

When I originally heard about it, it sounded brilliant.

A Film Noir storyline but with high school characters.


But what we got was a Film Noir film with a high school background...the originality of it went as far as the back setting and stopped there.

In the end without the details such as all the characters looking under 20 and the existence of school lockers it is in fact a very by the books and unoriginal film noir with bits and pieces from classic films.


The fact that a disney cartoon series which combined school and police dramas outdoes the film on almost every level just adds salt to its wounds.
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I loved it. I tought it was a n excellent old school private eye movie, given a modern twist. The only way it could have been better was to have nicholson or bogart playing the lead ( Inoticed the little throwback to the big sleep at the end of the movie)!
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Big fan of this film. Havent watched it since release but I remember being particularly impressed by it. A film that just oozes style, if lacking substance. But thats the point really.
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A film that just oozes style, if lacking substance. But thats the point really.
A large amount of style can never compensate for a lack of substance.
Remember Revolver?

Now thats not to say I didn't enjoy Brick. I liked the dialogue although at times it did feel a little forced in its quest to be really sharp. There were some genuinely funny bits: Spoiler: the guy running into the pole after tripping over the protagonists shoes was worth seeing.
The film's main flaw was how terribly predictable it was: Spoiler: The girl in the red dress was clearly behind it all. I guessed this the first time I saw her. Now I know she's supposed to be the femme fetale but surely they should have given the audience some credit.
It was also obvious from the word go the protagonist (whatever his name was) was the unborn baby's father.
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A large amount of style can never compensate for a lack of substance.
Remember Revolver?
Sin City totally illustrates the opposite. Three revenge genre stories that are worth watching simply because they look so damn cool.
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Sin City totally illustrates the opposite. Three revenge genre stories that are worth watching simply because they look so damn cool.
Interesting you should say that. The first time I saw Sin City it was in a bar with no sound. I kept thinking "What a visula tour de force, i can't wait to watch it properly!" Since then I watched it with sound and parts of it that I liked before now irritated me.
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Loved brick not mad on sin city .I was looking forward to sin city so much but to me it looked like it was shot like one of those sunday evening telly plays from years ago . Mite have been cus i was such a huge fan of the comics before hand .LOVED brick have seen it a few times since. if it wasent set in a highschool it would play like a rip off of about a thousand noir movies but style good dialoge and great performances usually keep me captivated . One of my fave last scenes ever aswell .

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i wanted to enjoy Brick, but I just didn't. I did find some of the funny moments quite amusing but other than that I didn't find it really interesting. I don't think that most of the attempts at stylish smart dialogue came off and as stated, it was all quite predictable in the end.

It was ok, but definitely pretentious over-rated
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I hated it because it wasnt original...

When I originally heard about it, it sounded brilliant.

A Film Noir storyline but with high school characters.


But what we got was a Film Noir film with a high school background...the originality of it went as far as the back setting and stopped there.
Yes because it is the latest in a spate of film noir murder mystery high school flicks

There is nothing quite like a 'film critic' imploding
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Yes because it is the latest in a spate of film noir murder mystery high school flicks

There is nothing quite like a 'film critic' imploding
Umm Blitz is saying that the high school setting was merely a back drop to a "film noir" movie. The fact it was in high school didn't really add much to the plot itself or the way the characters acted (who generally sounded far older than their years).

It's quite a valid critical point I feel - drop a cigarette onto the lead's head, throw a trenchcoat on him and stick in a voice-overed office and you're not really removed at all from many movies that've gone before. If the high school setting had actually played more influence on the movie, other than a bit of window dressing, then we might've had a more original and interesting piece. Instead it merely seemed arty for the sake of it and that whiff of pretension puts me off it (amonst other elements).
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Yes because it is the latest in a spate of film noir murder mystery high school flicks

There is nothing quite like a 'film critic' imploding
ixoy pretty much summed it up. What effect on the film did it being set in a high school have on the plot? Did any of the lifestyles of your typical highschooler show up in the film?

Look at the film's imdb page its full of valid questions.

Where are the parents?

When do they go to class? (a similar problem plagues Elephant)

What sort of high school party has poetry and jazz?

None of the characters act like teenagers.

All of those wouldnt really have bothered me, if it was an entertaining and clever film noir, but the director openly admits to lifting entire scenes from other film noirs, and the plotline is excessively unoriginal.
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This says it all:

http://www.bigempire.com/filthy/brick.html
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ixoy pretty much summed it up. What effect on the film did it being set in a high school have on the plot? Did any of the lifestyles of your typical highschooler show up in the film?

Look at the film's imdb page its full of valid questions.

Where are the parents?

When do they go to class? (a similar problem plagues Elephant)

What sort of high school party has poetry and jazz?

None of the characters act like teenagers.

All of those wouldnt really have bothered me, if it was an entertaining and clever film noir, but the director openly admits to lifting entire scenes from other film noirs, and the plotline is excessively unoriginal.
I think it was somewhat surreal with the abscence of parents and whatnot, and when you see him in on the school grounds there isn't half as much students as there should be but it didn't bother me because I enjoyed it. Empire and all those magazines said it was the most original film of 06, etc... while I agree with your points can you not see even a little bit of originality? In it's style and dialogue considering it's a modern high school flick of sorts. Ah sure it's just a matter of taste anyway
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