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Replacment for Cessna 172

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    #362
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,796 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    thomil wrote: »
    Currently on the ground in Reykjavik in Iceland, probably staying there overnight. Can they manage Reykjavik to Baldonnel on a single tank or will they have to make a refuelling stop in the Faroe Islands?

    They can indeed. Today's leg from Canada to Iceland is about 50% longer than the final leg to Dublin. Flight time about 4 hours weather permitting.


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    #363
    source
    Registered Users Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭source


    Already back in the air. They left 50 minutes ago and are off the south east coast of Iceland. Destination is listed as N/A, so no estimated arrival time. But based off Labre34's estimate of a flight time of 4 hours, they should be here by mid-day.


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    #364
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Hope we get a video of their arrival at Baldonnel. They look the biz!


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    #365
    [Deleted User]
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    Hmmmm. I wonder if they could squeeze onto the runways on the Aran Islands? Would be a great boost to ATCP if they were available in an emergency.


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    #366
    roundymac
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    Off the west coast of Scotland, should in B/D in about an hour or so.


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    #367
    Sgt. Bilko 09
    Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    roundymac wrote: »
    Off the west coast of Scotland, should in B/D in about an hour or so.

    Was just sent this, credit to whoever took the photo.


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    #368
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Superb shot Bilko. Cracking trio of aircraft. Look the dog's boll##ks! Just the ticket for tha AC


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    #369
    Heraldoffreeent
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    https://twitter.com/IrishAirCorps/status/1304052227712131072

    Arrived in the Bal.


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    #370
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    How old are these 3 and what will their duties be?
    Interesting with the propeller set up is this still a thing or just older aircraft?


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    #371
    source
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    How old are these 3 and what will their duties be?
    Interesting with the propeller set up is this still a thing or just older aircraft?

    They're 2 years old, built for the air corps by Pilatus. They were flown to Denver Colorado for fit out and are now being delivered.

    Their main role is intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (this role is the reason they were in the US for fit out), but they have the ability to also carry 9 passengers or 2 stretchers.


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    #372
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    source wrote: »
    They're 2 years old, built for the air corps by Pilatus. They were flown to Denver Colorado for fit out and are now being delivered.

    Their main role is intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (this role is the reason they were in the US for fit out), but they have the ability to also carry 9 passengers or 2 stretchers.

    Cheers, very informative.
    Wasn't aware they were getting them.

    Will they be used here or abroad by the Irish defence forces?


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    #373
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Another terrific set of photos. Thanks for posting the link. Anybody capture them on video at all? Guess they'll be adding the roundels etc in a bit. Tip top acquisition. Good work wringing the funding out of the DOD.


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    #374
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭sparky42


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Cheers, very informative.
    Wasn't aware they were getting them.

    Will they be used here or abroad by the Irish defence forces?


    They are to replace the old Cessna's, currently there's no plans for foreign deployments (given the usual issues) but Coveney since becoming Minister has expressed hope that the AC will be deployed at some point.


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    #375
    Psychlops
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    Given their role primarily as ISTAR I would suggest they will be overseas.


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    #376
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Psychlops wrote: »
    Given their role primarily as ISTAR I would suggest they will be overseas.
    They would be great for that, but I doubt the AC could generate the numbers right now.


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    #377
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,796 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The way things are going in recent days they'll be chasing smugglers in the border area.


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    #378
    sparky42
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    The way things are going in recent days they'll be chasing smugglers in the border area.


    Or double jobbing dealing with all the potential fishing disputes...


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    #379
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Who will crew the back of the PC12's. I presume personal will get promoted to fill the vacancies and then the air corps will just have to run a campaign for new enlisted personal to fill any gaps from promotions,?


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    #380
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,796 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Who will crew the back of the PC12's. I presume personal will get promoted to fill the vacancies and then the air corps will just have to run a campaign for new enlisted personal to fill any gaps from promotions,?

    You mean as spotters/technicians? There would already by enlisted personnel trained up and working on the CASAs, helicopters etc. I imagine when more of those are needed there would be the usual sort of selection carried out among the AC and Army.


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    #381
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You mean as spotters/technicians? There would already by enlisted personnel trained up and working on the CASAs, helicopters etc. I imagine when more of those are needed there would be the usual sort of selection carried out among the AC and Army.

    I was just wondering would it be hard to get the crews with all the issues.


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    #382
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I seen yesterday the utility pc12 heading to the continent with tests. We could regret Maurice's penny pinching yet turning down the second utility aircraft


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    #383
    sparky42
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    roadmaster wrote: »
    I seen yesterday the utility pc12 heading to the continent with tests. We could regret Maurice's penny pinching yet turning down the second utility aircraft


    Most likely, would have been dead handy having a second trash haulier version.


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    #384
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    they did it before, when they rejected keeping the white Casa, evn though it was proving immensely useful.


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    #385
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    they did it before, when they rejected keeping the white Casa, evn though it was proving immensely useful.
    Yep, penny wise, pound foolish, I'm sure the AC and Army would have liked to have a cargo 235 at the very least.


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    #386
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    When maritime operations started with the Casas, initial mission crew were drawn from the ranks of local ATC and Signals, but that soon faded to open competition from all ranks for seats. People have been drawn from other parts of the Air Corps as well as the wider DF.


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    #387
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    When maritime operations started with the Casas, initial mission crew were drawn from the ranks of local ATC and Signals, but that soon faded to open competition from all ranks for seats. People have been drawn from other parts of the Air Corps as well as the wider DF.

    Is there much interest within the DF of roles such as radar operators in the back of casas and the now PC12s?


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    #388
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Back when I served, which is a while ago now, all such jobs were open to all comers and were notified to all units of the DF via Routine Orders, posted up on every notice board, so theoretically, it was open season. In reality, the herd was soon thinned by educational qualifications and technical experience. If you rocked up, fresh from basic training, you were wasting your time. It sounded glamourous but people soon found that flying sideways in a Casa, for six hours over the Atlantic, often at low level, was a bit of a grind. Some people loved it and took to it like a duck to water;others hated it and got out of it as soon as they could. Originally, if you got the operators' course,you had to commit to a year in the seat. Fellas were known to jack it as soon as their commitment had expired. It's not for everyone.


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    #389
    pidgeoneyes
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭pidgeoneyes


    What sort of equipment is fitted to the PC12's for the ISTAR role?


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    #390
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Look on the Pilatus website. Do some reading on general ISTAR equipment such as cameras, infra-red and night vision equipment. that kind of stuff is widely in the public domain and is used worldwide.


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    #391
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    Back when I served, which is a while ago now, all such jobs were open to all comers and were notified to all units of the DF via Routine Orders, posted up on every notice board, so theoretically, it was open season. In reality, the herd was soon thinned by educational qualifications and technical experience. If you rocked up, fresh from basic training, you were wasting your time. It sounded glamourous but people soon found that flying sideways in a Casa, for six hours over the Atlantic, often at low level, was a bit of a grind. Some people loved it and took to it like a duck to water;others hated it and got out of it as soon as they could. Originally, if you got the operators' course,you had to commit to a year in the seat. Fellas were known to jack it as soon as their commitment had expired. It's not for everyone.

    At least in the PC12 they will be sitting forward looking


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