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Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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    #32
    [Deleted User]
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    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    Probably because of the individual landowners getting fcuked over by the powers that be in the past. Land is a very sensitive issue in this country.

    no, thought its a quick and handy response

    its because theres a lovely industry in land banking, a lovely industry in the legal and administrative barriers, a lovely industry in inflating the price of public purchase of assets and above all a contempt for the idea that experts should ever be able to make and enforce a decision against a gob****e in this country

    hearkening back to absentee landlords and all that is an embarrassment tbh


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    #33
    screamer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭screamer


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    There wouldn't be a decent road in the country if guys like him were indulged

    They are though, the amount of work they get done as part of any CPO is unreal. I often think wow, it actually adds value compared to the **** holes that they were before they got miles of fencing, tarmac driveways, masonry walls and lots of other things too. Sheds, even whole new fields created out of bogs for them. So being whingy pays off, and by Jaysus can farmers whinge


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    #34
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Deleted User wrote: »
    i dont know if its only on boards or what

    but everywhere else on the internet knows that the phrase 'legitimate concerns' is genuinely like a shorthand/dogwhistle for 'bad faith opposition'

    What point are you trying to make?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #35
    ongarite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,201 ✭✭✭ongarite


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    if one fella needs to have a cpo hit him for 8bn to be invested then that is exactly what should happen

    Nothing of his land is being CPOd for this planning application.
    Plans are on Kildare CoCo planning for all to see.
    All the development will be on the existing site, just looking for change from previous granted planning application to increase the FAB size, nearly double it.

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    The farmer's land in the bottom left of the blue/yellow line


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    #36
    TheValeyard
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    no, thought its a quick and handy response

    its because theres a lovely industry in land banking, a lovely industry in the legal and administrative barriers, a lovely industry in inflating the price of public purchase of assets and above all a contempt for the idea that experts should ever be able to make and enforce a decision against a gob****e in this country

    hearkening back to absentee landlords and all that is an embarrassment tbh

    Yeah, damn past and people learning from it to make sure it will never happen again and act cautiously around institutions or groups seeking land. ..........embarrassing.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #37
    Rows Grower
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    screamer wrote: »
    They are though, the amount of work they get done as part of any CPO is unreal. I often think wow, it actually adds value compared to the **** holes that they were before they got miles of fencing, tarmac driveways, masonry walls and lots of other things too. Sheds, even whole new fields created out of bogs for them. So being whingy pays off, and by Jaysus can farmers whinge

    Don't forget the tunnels built under the new roads so cattle can access and egress the milking parlour from different fields.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #38
    [Deleted User]
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    What point are you trying to make?

    i made it.

    you may still, however, be 'trying' to grasp it.


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    #39
    TheValeyard
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    i made it.

    you may still, however, be 'trying' to grasp it.

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    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #40
    Mrsmum
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Don't forget the tunnels built under the new roads so cattle can access and egress the milking parlour from different fields.


    And how would a farmer get his cows across the main road otherwise. Stop all the traffic.


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    #41
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    The man doesn't have a family ie kids as far as I know so it's not for future generations of his own family he's fighting for. He seems to be fighting on matters of principal as he sees them.


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    #42
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    And how would a farmer get his cows across the main road otherwise. Stop all the traffic.

    I'm not trying to say it's wrong that these tunnels were built, stopping traffic just wouldn't work and neither would bridges.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #43
    Giveaway
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    Maybe is planning to sell his land to AMD


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    #44
    Rows Grower
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    Mrsmum wrote: »
    The man doesn't have a family ie kids as far as I know so it's not for future generations of his own family he's fighting for. He seems to be fighting on matters of principal as he sees them.

    And I for one wish him the best of luck in his fight not to bullied by a corporate giant.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #45
    dresden8
    Registered Users Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭dresden8


    Rich man says "Gimme".

    We are obliged to give.

    Nah, I don't think so.


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    #46
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    And I for one wish him the best of luck in his fight not to bullied by a corporate giant.

    Ok, and if Intel says we'll invest in Israel instead and wind down Leixlip due to ludicrous planning fiascos in Ireland you would be perfectly happy with that?


    All those high paid jobs, local jobs, local funds and national revenues gone.

    This man's land is NOT being CPO'ed - it's a grudge.

    7th time objecting.


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    #47
    eqwjewoiujqorj
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    Seems to be plenty of space for intel to expand - might make sense for them to expand west but it's not like it's the only option.

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    #48
    greencap
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    2019: but its been in my family for generations. my grandpappy bought it in 18 diggity 2 for a goat and a fur lined hat.

    2020: $8 billion investment gets denied. goes somewhere else. adios losers.

    2030: Empty field.

    2040: Distant Australian relative, twice removed, sells precious family heritage, half goes to his ex wife in a divorce.

    2041: Irish people continue to grumble about legacy of unemployment. A nation scratches its head and wonders why.

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

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    #49
    tabby aspreme
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Ok, and if Intel says we'll invest in Israel instead and wind down Leixlip due to ludicrous planning fiascos in Ireland you would be perfectly happy with that?


    All those high paid jobs, local jobs, local funds and national revenues gone.

    This man's land is NOT being CPO'ed - it's a grudge.

    7th time objecting.

    There has already been an attempt to illegally cpo this land by the IDA , the legislation has since been changed to give the IDA more powers to build land banks, I'm sure the man is objecting because, if Intel do get planning his land will be subject to a CPO once more


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    #50
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Ok, and if Intel says we'll invest in Israel instead and wind down Leixlip due to ludicrous planning fiascos in Ireland you would be perfectly happy with that?


    All those high paid jobs, local jobs, local funds and national revenues gone.

    This man's land is NOT being CPO'ed - it's a grudge.

    7th time objecting.

    If Intel want to go to Israel that's entirely up to them.

    What you and they need to understand first and foremost is that they must obey the law of the land here in Ireland if they want to do business here.

    They are not basing themselves here in Ireland for any other reason than it makes better business sense than being located anywhere else.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #51
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    tabby aspreme wrote: »
    There has already been an attempt to illegally cpo this land by the IDA , the legislation has since been changed to give the IDA more powers to build land banks, I'm sure the man is objecting because, if Intel do get planning his land will be subject to a CPO once more

    The planning application has nothing to do with his land.

    So Intel should not be allowed expand on this site ever because this man's land might eventually be CPO'ed for something else? :confused:

    What kind of mickey mouse way would that be to go about things?


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    #52
    beertons
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    You wouldn't think anyone lived in that gaff if you saw it, broken windows, tiles missing off the roof. The land around it is in some state, I'd call him a few things, but a farmer he ain't.


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    #53
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    If Intel want to go to Israel that's entirely up to them.

    What you and they need to understand first and foremost is that they must obey the law of the land here in Ireland if they want to do business here.

    They are not basing themselves here in Ireland for any other reason than it makes better business sense than being located anywhere else.

    Erm, the problem for Ireland, Leixlip and West Dublin is Israel in this instance....

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Intel-to-invest-a-further-11-billion-in-Israel-operations-578973

    Make no mistake we are up against them when it comes to investment decisions by Intel and unfortunately they are winning at the moment. That's not good for Leixlip.


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    #54
    the_syco
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    His reasons;

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    #55
    the_syco
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    They are not basing themselves here in Ireland for any other reason than it makes better business sense than being located anywhere else.
    That is true. However, if Intel expands in Ireland, people in Ireland get employed, and other businesses get money from Intels staff.


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    #56
    greencap
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    If Intel want to go to Israel that's entirely up to them.

    What you and they need to understand first and foremost is that they must obey the law of the land here in Ireland if they want to do business here.

    They are not basing themselves here in Ireland for any other reason than it makes better business sense than being located anywhere else.

    ah yeah, thats grand.

    discussion/2058195983/russia-threadbanned-users-in-op/p3135

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    #57
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    the_syco wrote: »
    His reasons;

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    Sure we can't build anything at all then, anywhere.


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    #58
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Erm, the problem for Ireland, Leixlip and West Dublin is Israel in this instance....

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Intel-to-invest-a-further-11-billion-in-Israel-operations-578973

    Make no mistake we are up against them when it comes to investment decisions by Intel and unfortunately they are winning at the moment. That's not good for Leixlip.

    This isn't just about Intel and how they should be pandered to, it's about an Irish farmer standing up for himself in a court of law and winning against tremendous odds.

    I back him every step of the way in his next battle.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #59
    listermint
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    European sites directives?

    Dictatorship?

    Is this another Freeman case


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    #60
    Plumbthedepths
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote:
    Sure we can't build anything at all then, anywhere.


    Of course you can once you go through the planning process. Do you think it should be circumvented to suit certain entities?


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    #61
    CrabRevolution
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    I'm no legal expert but I'd imagine in order for your argument to succeed in court you have to explicitly point out what specific law or directive is being broken, not simply name the enormous vague area of law you reckon is being broken.


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