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10-01-2019, 18:37   #46
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If they want that there is nothing stopping them paying for it privately.
Except that this puts every man in a "remain ignorant or get dumped" quandry. No win situation.

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Also, why only father and son?
Projection on my part, apologies. When I typed up my two posts here I was just thinking how utterly devastated I'd be if I found out that I wasn't related to my dad and that his family's long history in Ireland (we have a lot of revolutionaries among our ancestors) was therefore irrelevant to me - that that blood didn't actually run through my veins. Didn't mean to be exclusionary at all, was just thinking about myself.

I don't believe that anything close to a majority of people would betray someone like this, but I do believe that a large enough proportion of human beings are selfish assholes that people should be protected from having their lives destroyed so fundamentally on the off chance that someone in their life happens to be one. Robbing someone of their blood identity is evil beyond belief.

For the record, I also advocate that adopted children should be told that they're adopted from the youngest age that they can understand what it means, to avoid traumatic heartbreak later in life after being misled throughout childhood.

Genetic identity is simply something I do not believe should be left at the mercy of chance or the hope that someone isn't a scumbag. There are enough scumbags in the world that blind faith shouldn't be good enough when it comes to this. Maybe it isn't as important to others as it is to me, but I can't put into words how soul-destroying it would be for me to be told that my family aren't actually my genetic family, and I believe that however small a percentage of people this happens to, it's so awful and soul destroying that it's worth protecting everyone from even the remote possibility of this happening to them. Remove chance from the equation altogether and certify peoples' genetic identity as a matter of scientific fact rather than blind faith.
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10-01-2019, 18:40   #48
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If they want that there is nothing stopping them paying for it privately. Also, why only father and son?
Consent from all parties is required for these tests no? Clinics will not do the tests or give results unless both consent to the test.

Open to correction but someone close to me had to go through the above to have something similar confirmed.
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10-01-2019, 18:43   #49
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I don't know, I don't think even "feminist nuts" think it's ok to do this. Probably they are more thinking of the impact on the kids of having the person they grew up thinking was their father suddenly disappear. Surely trying to maintain some kind of relationship is best for everyone. No doubt the "father" will also love the children like his own.

In this case I think the kids had already cut contact with him due to his behaviour.
One of the kids at least, had not. Read the story elsewhere. One of the kids said "if you sue mum, I'll cut contact with you". Pretty fcuked up response seen as she took the guy to the cleaners in the divorce.
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She is a dirty whore.
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1 in 4 in the UK
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It goes on a fair bit

Up to 1 in 6 Canadians are victims of paternity fraud
Neither of these figures are correct. This is the rate of paternity fraud where the father already suspects the children are not his.

Across the entire population, the most recent UK study puts it at 1 in 50.

A more recent study of suspicious men increased this 1 in 4 to 1 in 2.

Which is good news; If you think your kids are not yours and you're so suspicious that you go as far as getting a DNA test, then there's only a 50% chance that you're right.
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Maternity is a fact, paternity is an opinion.
Steve Jobs tried that one alright. Saying that half the men in America could be his daughter’s father or something.
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10-01-2019, 18:48   #53
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Maybe he wouldn't have "made it" without her help at the critical early stages - most startup thingys fail
You know I completely buy that as a reason for divorce payments being split equally. The things is that is not true in many cases. In this case she was allowed not work to raise the family but it wasn't his family. She couldn't have children with him so she effectively got him to pay for her lifestyle while cheating him.

Paternity fraud is an interesting issue for many reasons. It delves into what being a father is and also the control women have and how sexist the systems are.

There are cases where women intentionally lied to men about being fathers and got no punishment with the men still needing to pay maintenance. Including stories of men who married women that they believed were carrying their child.

There most certainly be a punishment for such fraud.

When any women who claims misandry doesn't exist because it isn't backed up by the state there is an example. Then of course there is how fathers are treated in the courts.
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Jaysus, that would be some destruction to a relationship if yer man says he wants the paternity test and she hasn't as much as looked at another bloke.
Yeah, it’s a weird one. I’ve no children so this is all hypothetical but if my husband asked for a paternity test, I’d agree without hesitation - nothing to hide and all - but it would change our relationship for sure. I’d just think he didn’t trust me. And I realise a lot is at stake but it would definitely change the relationship dynamic.
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Neither of these figures are correct. This is the rate of paternity fraud where the father already suspects the children are not his..........
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You'd have bias there though, how suspicious were they before the test ?
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I don't know, I don't think even "feminist nuts" think it's ok to do this. Probably they are more thinking of the impact on the kids of having the person they grew up thinking was their father suddenly disappear. Surely trying to maintain some kind of relationship is best for everyone. No doubt the "father" will also love the children like his own.

In this case I think the kids had already cut contact with him due to his behaviour.
From what I've gathered they only cut contact after all this came out. IIRC one of his sons keeps in touch. The other kids have some neck to cut him off, given he was their dad in name and raised and paid for their fancy educations etc. Though I'd not be surprised if she poisoned that relationship and kids often will side with their ma. What about their biological father? I wonder what their attitude is to him, though it seems he's completely out of the picture.

And as for "best for everyone", for the kids maybe yes, the wife can bugger off in a situation like that, the father would want to have some level of forgiveness built in. I'd not have it TBH.

I would consider this a way more serious crime than it's taken for. Consider the horrible crime of rape. One final horror of that is if the woman ends up pregnant and ends up carrying a kid she had no choice in conceiving(if she doesn't terminate). And it's still her kid. Being duped into raising a few kids over decades and finding out they're not yours? Jesus Christ. I'd be close to murderous TBH. And no it's not the same as adoption. That's a choice.

You would think he might have been suspicious with the whole her insisting on Jewish names for the kids though. Which also suggests she knew he wasn't their father. I suppose he just trusted her. Naturally enough. Nasty devious cow and no mistake.
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Neither of these figures are correct. This is the rate of paternity fraud where the father already suspects the children are not his.

Across the entire population, the most recent UK study puts it at 1 in 500.
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Did you mean 1 in 50 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud
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Neither of these figures are correct. This is the rate of paternity fraud where the father already suspects the children are not his.

Across the entire population, the most recent UK study puts it at 1 in 50.

A more recent study of suspicious men increased this 1 in 4 to 1 in 2.

Which is good news; If you think your kids are not yours and you're so suspicious that you go as far as getting a DNA test, then there's only a 50% chance that you're right.

Only 50%? What are you trying to say about my wife?
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Which is good news; If you think your kids are not yours and you're so suspicious that you go as far as getting a DNA test, then there's only a 50% chance that you're right.
Would you trust your life to a parachute that only opened half the time? I wouldn't.
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While this is a very sad case, to say that he’s infertile from birth because of Cystic Fibrosis, is alarmist. He may be infertile, but not all CF sufferers are.
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