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03-01-2019, 12:57   #16
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There's no lesson to be learned to stop this tragedy happening again if we don't actaully analyse how it happened.

They were ten.

Where did they learn violence from.

Where did they get these ideas from.

One of the killers asked if they had brought the child to hospital to fix him.

I'd rather examine it than just wipe it away with evil.

Of Course some people are too blinded by hate which is the same exact dysfunction that leads to violence.

Ironic.
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But we don't know that though because they've have to live the rest of their lives in secrecy in case of vigilante attacks. No one knows (well in the case of Robert Thompson anyway) what type of adults they are or how they feel.
Well John Venables has been convicted of downloading child pornography so that says it all really he's a danger to children and should permanently be kept locked away for everyone's sake.
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Detainment is a short film currently being nominated for an oscar about the James Bulger killing directed by Irishman Vincent Lambe. The film attempts to depict the killers in a different light instead trying to humanise them rather than just to present them as 'evil' in the directors own words.

Not surprisingly the films getting a lot of criticism and its being denounced as insensitive lacking decency.

He was on Good Morning Britain earlier today and was getting a bit of grilling from the hosts (particularly from Ben Shephard, a guy who gets far too much work on UK TV, he's really boring) for not bothering to get consent from Denise Fergus (James mother) and responded that he knew she would say no. She's going to be on tomorrow to undoubtedly provide a fairly angry response.

Was this done in bad taste? Plenty of other films about various murders don't often seek permission from family members. But I guess the nature of this one and the sheer brutality of the crime perhaps he should've been a bit more sensitive.

Likely to do wonders for his career though.

Omg. Have Jamie s parents and family not been through enough. Ffs. Now someone dragging it all up again. Without even informing them or asking their permission. New bloody low.
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I care or at least am interested how they turned out. I'm loathed to discard a child at 10 for the remainder of their lives without even the chance of redemption or worse hang them like the mob wanted.
This doesnt take away from their horrific crime or seek to upset the bulger family.

They were 10 years old, i feel the blood lust energy of the mob is better spent.

As it turns out one of them is clearly beyond help the 2nd one hasnt been in trouble since he left care. But is it not better that he lives a life than not?

For the record i'd hang adult child killers (esp if it was a sexual crime) as they are well beyond the age of reason and are beyond redemption.
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You'll have the usual pattern of people defending these evil bastard's, always from the left.

I seen something a while back about lefties saying paedophiles are another sexual orientation, and how hard it must be to be rejected by society for being a naunce.

If society ever say's it's ok to be a naunce or child killer then Armageddon has surely arrived.

They don't belong here, they're sick twisted and need to be all rounded up and strung up by their nuts and bolts....
Oh stop it.
Stop using a brutal crime to get a political dig in.

No one is "defending" them.
Some people have said rather than dismiss them as "pure evil" we try and understand why they did the horrific things they did - so maybe we can learn to recognise the warning signs and maybe be able to act in time to prevent such horror ever being inflicted on another innocent.
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There's no lesson to be learned to stop this tragedy happening again if we don't actaully analyse how it happened.

They were ten.

Where did they learn violence from.

Where did they get these ideas from.

One of the killers asked if they had brought the child to hospital to fix him.

I'd rather examine it than just wipe it away with evil.

Of Course some people are too blinded by hate which is the same exact dysfunction that leads to violence.

Ironic.
Well kumbayah and all that bollocks.

Fine, give them extensive therapy. Whilst doing a 30 stretch.

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Hard to criticise a film that you haven't seen. But I always found this murder to be one of the worst I've read. I would definitely not watch the movie, I don't think I could, I don't see the point.
The wiki article alone is hard enough to read imho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

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You'll have the usual pattern of people defending these evil bastard's, always from the left.
Come on then, share some of it. I'd like to see all the people defending James Bulgers killers.
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Humans do these things,and a lot worse. It shouldn't be catagorised as being an external force.
How is evil an external force?

This documentary smacks of the cosseted belief that people are always inherently good and if they're not then it must be as a result of some terrible affliction or trauma

Some people are just evil c***s
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Oh stop it.
Stop using a brutal crime to get a political dig in.

No one is "defending" them.
Some people have said rather than dismiss them as "pure evil" we try and understand why they did the horrific things they did - so maybe we can learn to recognise the warning signs and maybe be able to act in time to prevent such horror ever being inflicted on another innocent.
So tell me, how many times this has happened in Ireland or England since it happened ?

The warning signs were there as far as I knew they were not like other kid's, we'd have to delve into a lot of files to filter it out.

Who's mentioning politics ?

I know you like challenging me now and again, but this is a different story....
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Hard to criticise a film that you haven't seen. But I always found this murder to be one of the worst I've read. I would definitely not watch the movie, I don't think I could, I don't see the point.
The wiki article alone is hard enough to read imho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger


Come on then, share some of it. I'd like to see all the people defending James Bulgers killers.
Read up. "Oh poor babbies, what nasty grown ups made them do it???"

Bull****.
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Wasn't Venebales caught in N. Ireland after his release downloading child porn?
What did he learn from all the counsellors in prison? Nothing at all. Evil bastards.

I'd have backed executing them as soon as they were found guilty of wee Jamie's horrific murder.
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How is evil an external force?

This documentary smacks of the cosseted belief that people are always inherently good and if they're not then it must be as a result of some terrible affliction or trauma

Some people are just evil c***s
Some people are psychopaths,in fact a lot of people are psychopaths. Doesn't make them "evil"(whatever that is) it means if the circumstances are right they can kill without feeling. It's a human condition.
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There's no lesson to be learned to stop this tragedy happening again if we don't actaully analyse how it happened. .
There is no lesson to be learned - there always has been and always will be bad, rotten, evil, disturbed, whatever term you want to use, people in the world. It's the human condition - some of us are just no good!

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They were ten.

Where did they learn violence from.

Where did they get these ideas from. .
Who knows, who cares. It has always been that way - it's been blamed on everything from head injuries, to video games right back to witch craft and demonic possession.
Some people are just cúnts!



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One of the killers asked if they had brought the child to hospital to fix him. .
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I'd rather examine it than just wipe it away with evil.

Of Course some people are too blinded by hate which is the same exact dysfunction that leads to violence.

Ironic.
It's not ironic at all.
Most people have no real problem with violence if they actually stop to think about it. Their problem is with senseless or gratuitous violence.

All violence is not created equal - giving some junkie trying to rob your grannies hand bag on the street a good kick in the nuts is not the same thing as torturing and killing a toddler!
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Wasn't Venebales caught in N. Ireland after his release downloading child porn?
What did he learn from all the counsellors in prison? Nothing at all. Evil bastards.

I'd have backed executing them as soon as they were found guilty of wee Jamie's horrific murder.
Exactly, I see my lad he's 17 now but he is a good lad.
Always empathic and worried about his younger cousins if they fell over or anyone was sick or hurt.

He's naturally empathic, still a cheeky moody teen-ager, but he had no malice in him.

We went fishing one time for wrasse, you use hardback crab's as Bait...

He was horrified by the thought of it, I said son why don't you like me using crab's for bait...

Because the quabby will cry.....an innocent kid who didn't like the thought of hurting anyone physically or mentally....

Sums it up really, some kid's grow out of pulling legs off flies etc others progress onto breaking people's legs....
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All killers are human and largely a product of their environment so it will be interesting to see what the film has to say
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