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Eoghan Murphy TD resigns...

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    #272
    archfi
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    skimpydoo wrote: »
    James Geoghegan who until recently was a member of Renua. How does Leo trust someone with no real pedigree who is also ex Renua?
    Isn't (or wasn't) one of Leo's closest friends growing up wihin the FG ranks/university, Lucinda?

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    #273
    Loafing Oaf
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    Economics101 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks that Kate O'Connell is a relentless self-publicist, more a member of the Me Fein party rather then Fine Gael.

    And a for those carefully posed glammed up photos of her appearing in the Indo: ugh! As for Geoghegan being ex-Renua, what's wrong with that? An ability to change one's mind is in many circumstances a virtue.

    Plus Leo & Lucinda are still mates AFAIK...


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    #274
    Beta Ray Bill
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Ah but both his parents and two grandparents were Supreme Court judges. Where is the 'Laura Norder' party going to find a more perfect candidate?:P

    I actually threw up in my mouth a bit reading that.

    Any chance of a normal candidate? :)

    Government never do well in by-elections, but I think Hazel Chu will get the vote.
    I'd be surprised if she didn't, Eammon Ryan has no choice but to support her (he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't)

    on a side note about Eoghan Murphy, I wonder did he know about the Vulture funds buying up estates and just thought to himself "F**k This..."


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    #275
    Augme
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    Economics101 wrote: »
    As for Geoghegan being ex-Renua, what's wrong with that? An ability to change one's mind is in many circumstances a virtue.

    I've some magic beans to sell you if you believe that.

    An ability to jump a sinking ship is is in many circumstances an essential skill for a budding politician.


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    #276
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Economics101 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks that Kate O'Connell is a relentless self-publicist, more a member of the Me Fein party rather then Fine Gael.

    And a for those carefully posed glammed up photos of her appearing in the Indo: ugh! As for Geoghegan being ex-Renua, what's wrong with that? An ability to change one's mind is in many circumstances a virtue.


    Just watch. In the Sindo this week they'll be a hit piece on FG blaming "misogyny" and choir boys, while in fact it's her b***hy personality that would have more to do with it.


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    #277
    Beta Ray Bill
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    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Just watch. In the Sindo this week they'll be a hit piece on FG blaming "misogyny" and choir boys, while in fact it's her b***hy personality that would have more to do with it.

    I wouldn't be a fan of hers to be honest.
    But in fairness, women do need to be "B***y" in a male dominated environment, otherwise they get no where.
    I think her and her husband have a few pharmacies anyway so I'm sure they'll be grand... It amazes me that people that have it so comfy in life get into politics, and people seem to vote for them.. weird.


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    #278
    Fred Cryton
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    Beta Ray Bill wrote: »
    I think her and her husband have a few pharmacies anyway so I'm sure they'll be grand... It amazes me that people that have it so comfy in life get into politics, and people seem to vote for them.. weird.


    You mean like Mary Lou and Eoin O Brien, both of whom were privately educated? Doesn't' Mary Lou own a couple houses.


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    #279
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    You mean like Mary Lou and Eoin O Brien, both of whom were privately educated? Doesn't' Mary Lou own a couple houses.

    I think every person that's in their 50's that was lucky enough to go to college in mid 80s/early 90s, owns a couple of houses!

    Sure aren't 25% of them (TD's) Landlords now in 2021?

    The wealth divide between "Standard TD material", and the average Joe is shocking.


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    #280
    Floppybits
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Plus Leo & Lucinda are still mates AFAIK...

    I wonder if he has sent her any confidential documents. Leo loves to do this for his mates.


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    #281
    sabat
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    Beta Ray Bill wrote: »
    I wouldn't be a fan of hers to be honest.
    But in fairness, women do need to be "B***y" in a male dominated environment, otherwise they get no where.
    I think her and her husband have a few pharmacies anyway so I'm sure they'll be grand... It amazes me that people that have it so comfy in life get into politics, and people seem to vote for them.. weird.

    I think her comments in the Dáil after the referendum and the tone she delivered them in pissed off a lot more people than you'd imagine-even a lot of those who were on her side in the campaign. The bullying pretty rich girl who's had her own way her whole life is not an archetype people warm to.


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    #282
    Beta Ray Bill
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    sabat wrote: »
    I think her comments in the Dáil after the referendum and the tone she delivered them in pissed off a lot more people than you'd imagine-even a lot of those who were on her side in the campaign. The bullying pretty rich girl who's had her own way her whole life is not an archetype people warm to.

    I don't think she comes from major wealth or a political/legal family though?
    She's from Westmeath like.


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    #283
    PunkIPA
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    skimpydoo wrote: »
    James Geoghegan who until recently was a member of Renua. How does Leo trust someone with no real pedigree who is also ex Renua?

    According to the profile in the Indo or Times last week, Cllr. Geoghegan left Renua in 2016, at the same time as Creighton.

    I'm not sure I would consider an event that happened five years ago "until recently".

    In any event, the party at that time was basically the PDs 2.0. To the right of FG on economic issues - some fairly interesting but unachievable stuff on tax reform and significant criminal justice reform with minimum mandatory sentences etc.

    After the ex-FG people like Geoghegan and Creighton left the party, it was basically taken over by an extremist fringe. It's a completely different entity now than it was in 2016.

    I read the party's manifesto in 2016 and there is actually a good deal of lefty stuff there about renewable energy and all that stuff.

    Zero mention of abortion, for example.

    I would challenge you to read the 2016 manifesto and point to anything in it that would be dramatically out of place in a FG manifesto today, beyond the flat-tax idea and the three strikes policy.

    http://michaelpidgeon.com/manifestos/docs/renua/Renua%20GE%202016.pdf

    N.B. History has proven them right in at least one regard - total opposition to the St. James's site for the NCH. Maybe if Creighton got elected in 2016 we wouldn't have spunked €2.5bn of taxpayers money


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    #284
    Loafing Oaf
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    PunkIPA wrote: »
    According to the profile in the Indo or Times last week, Cllr. Geoghegan left Renua in 2016, at the same time as Creighton.

    I'm not sure I would consider an event that happened five years ago "until recently".

    I wonder if feelers were put out to the bould Lucinda to see if she was interested in a comeback in the by-election. Whole abortion issue is now settled so I doubt there's much lingering bad feeling. She certainly possess what appears to be the main credential for this contest, ie the 'right gender'.

    Speaking of which, Deirdre Conroy, who I believe is the former Deirdre de Barra, is seeking the FF nomination
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dublin-bay-south-byelection-ff-councillor-deirdre-conroy-to-seek-nomination-1.4561783

    Would certainly ensure FF are not outflanked among the D4 liberals...


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    #285
    Loafing Oaf
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    Seemingly FG looking to fast-track the by-election
    in order to take advantage of its head start on Sinn Fein in the contest, and to avoid a possible anti-government swing in the autumn as Covid restrictions wind down.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fine-gael-seeking-early-by-election-dublin-bay-south-w8fgp03vn

    Not really getting the SF bit tbh. They would not generally be expected to be FG's main challenger from the left in this sort of constituency. But on the other hand if there is such a massive swing to SF across the country over the housing issue, then it won't matter when the vote is held or who the FG candidate is...


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    #286
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    I wonder if feelers were put out to the bould Lucinda to see if she was interested in a comeback in the by-election. Whole abortion issue is now settled so I doubt there's much lingering bad feeling. She certainly possess what appears to be the main credential for this contest, ie the 'right gender'.

    Speaking of which, Deirdre Conroy, who I believe is the former Deirdre de Barra, is seeking the FF nomination
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dublin-bay-south-byelection-ff-councillor-deirdre-conroy-to-seek-nomination-1.4561783

    Would certainly ensure FF are not outflanked among the D4 liberals...

    Another barrister, just what the country needs to ensure the survival of the tribunal class; I hear the investigation into Covid is happening next year.


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    #287
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Yeah Lucinda is biding her time before parachuting back with FG colours

    This isn’t the right time for her though


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    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Jizique


    One question - when does Murphy pick up his “pension” and how much will it be?
    I really have an issue with him picking up any kind of a stipend before his “official retirement date”?
    I wondr how much the 3 Marys (Harney, Hannafin and Coughlan) pull from the state monthly, all still well below their official retirement age.


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    #289
    Marcos
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    I'm not sure of how much of a pension he gets, but AFAIK know Ministers are eligible to pick up their pension at 50 years of age. I'm sure someone on here would be able to confirm or deny that.

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    #290
    Bubbaclaus
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    Jizique wrote: »
    One question - when does Murphy pick up his “pension” and how much will it be?
    I really have an issue with him picking up any kind of a stipend before his “official retirement date”?
    I wondr how much the 3 Marys (Harney, Hannafin and Coughlan) pull from the state monthly, all still well below their official retirement age.

    He will get the pension at 65, which for him is in 2047.


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    #291
    RandomViewer
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    Jizique wrote: »
    One question - when does Murphy pick up his “pension” and how much will it be?
    I really have an issue with him picking up any kind of a stipend before his “official retirement date”?
    I wondr how much the 3 Marys (Harney, Hannafin and Coughlan) pull from the state monthly, all still well below their official retirement age.

    This is the deal that Daragh Murphy got, Eoghan was a full minister so add a bit on for that,

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30968563.html


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    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    He will get the pension at 65, which for him is in 2047.

    Haha - that’s what you think, and that’s what they want us to think.
    I am sure I heard he would have to wait two years for it.


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    #293
    Bubbaclaus
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    Jizique wrote: »
    Haha - that’s what you think, and that’s what they want us to think.
    I am sure I heard he would have to wait two years for it.

    You read that one off Facebook I suppose.

    Eoghan Murphy will be getting his pension, relative to his length of time as a TD/Minister, at 65 in 2047.


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    jimmycrackcorm
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    Jizique wrote:
    One question - when does Murphy pick up his “pension†and how much will it be? I really have an issue with him picking up any kind of a stipend before his “official retirement date� I wondr how much the 3 Marys (Harney, Hannafin and Coughlan) pull from the state monthly, all still well below their official retirement age.

    I don't know what your career is but I'd guess you wouldn't like for you to be kicked out of your job after five years, and I'm definitely sure you would object if you couldn't get any pension entitlements earned from your work.


    Marcos wrote:
    I'm not sure of how much of a pension he gets, but AFAIK know Ministers are eligible to pick up their pension at 50 years of age. I'm sure someone on here would be able to confirm or deny that.


    It's common enough for pension schemes to allow you draw down from age 50 up. Gardai can retire early for example.


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    #295
    Murph85
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Yeah Lucinda is biding her time before parachuting back with FG colours

    This isn’t the right time for her though

    She should start a new party... waste of time going back to fg


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    Murph85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Yeah Lucinda is biding her time before parachuting back with FG colours

    This isn’t the right time for her though

    Actually her as fg leader as she isn't a weak populist kite flyer, would actually be a great coup for fg...


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    Jizique
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You read that one off Facebook I suppose.

    Eoghan Murphy will be getting his pension, relative to his length of time as a TD/Minister, at 65 in 2047.

    Hate to disappoint you but i am not on FB; I know he gets 65k wind-down payment over 8 months, but getting redundancy for opting to leave your job voluntarily is bizarre.


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    #298
    Bubbaclaus
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    Jizique wrote: »
    Hate to disappoint you but i am not on FB; I know he gets 65k wind-down payment over 8 months, but getting redundancy for opting to leave your job voluntarily is bizarre.

    You were asking about his pension, which he will get in 2047 when he turns 65. Not in 2 years as you claimed you read somewhere.


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    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Jizique wrote: »
    Hate to disappoint you but i am not on FB; I know he gets 65k wind-down payment over 8 months, but getting redundancy for opting to leave your job voluntarily is bizarre.

    The banks do it as well, lots of executives resigned after the crash and got a lump sum,


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    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Jizique


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    I don't know what your career is but I'd guess you wouldn't like for you to be kicked out of your job after five years, and I'm definitely sure you would object if you couldn't get any pension entitlements earned from your work.






    It's common enough for pension schemes to allow you draw down from age 50 up. Gardai can retire early for example.

    He wasn’t kicked out of his job, he is still a TD.
    I have no objection to him getting a pension, but I do object to him (a) not being able to fund it himself from contributions made from his well paid job, just as I do, and (b) being able to draw it down before his constituents are.

    The pension arrangements for guards (and Defence force members) are a separate issue and worthy of a further thread.


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    #301
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Jizique


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    The banks do it as well, lots of executives resigned after the crash and got a lump sum,

    He is not working for a bank. He is not taking a redundancy offer from a corporate.

    He plans to go off to work on nuclear disarmament with some tax-free NGO, having previously worked in a tax free role for the UN, and good luck to him.


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