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03-01-2016, 23:55   #31
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Yes it's called Dublin airport flash track as far as I know
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Dublin-US check-in & pre-clearance question

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My wife and I are taking the father in law to New York for his birthday. Unbeknownst to him we are actually also taking him to Vegas.

As far as he knows it's just Dublin to NYC and NYC back to Dublin. But in actual fact we'll be boarding in NYC and going to Vegas for 4 nights and then back to Dublin.

My question is, how long can I keep the secret? My hope is that he won't cop on until we're sat at the gate waiting to board. I'll be managing the check in and handling the tickets and boarding passes, so I'm thinking that it will be fine to just print the boarding passes and give him the one he needs at any given time. He's not bit on long haul travel so it won't be hard to keep him relying on me to keep him right.

My worry is US pre-clearance in Dublin. Will he himself be asked at that point what his dates of travel etc are or will I just be able to fill out a form each and hand them over as a group?
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04-01-2016, 14:24   #33
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You know he needs an esta visa too which will require details of where he will be staying?

He will have to speak to the officers at pre clearance you can't so it for him
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He'll have a customs form where has to enter his expected address in the United States. Most likely the immigration officer will ask him where he is going or what his final destination is. He should have all boarding passes with him just in case.

The only thing I'm not sure about is doing it as a group, particularly if your father-is-law is very old, I'm not sure how it works. But I would say he could ask your father-in-law questions or even if he does ask you where your final destination is and you say Las Vegas, your father-in-law might act shocked if he didn't know in advance, which may look strange to the immigration officer.

I once mixed up my right and left hand when they were asking for fingerprint and they took me away for separate questions because they thought I was nervous, so dealing with US immigration can be intimidating at the best of times, never mind when you are trying to hide something from someone in the group.

So you have to tell him before going to pre-clearance.

As far as I remember when doing the ESTA they also ask for expected address and flight details (although I guess you could do the ESTA part for him so your father-in-law might not know about that part, but of course what he says to pre-clearance should match what is on the ESTA so he has to know by then).

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Is this all one ticket? Dub to Vegas (one stop in NYC)? You will clear immigration once you land in NY I think. I would tell him before you land stateside.
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You know he needs an esta visa too which will require details of where he will be staying?

He will have to speak to the officers at pre clearance you can't so it for him
Already done the ESTA, it asks for an address while staying in the US and I have put in the NYC details there. It only gives the option for 1 address.

He's not that elderly and certainly not dependent enough for me to have to speak for him. Looks like I'm going to have to spill the beans earlier than expected.
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Is this all one ticket? Dub to Vegas (one stop in NYC)? You will clear immigration once you land in NY I think. I would tell him before you land stateside.
Dublin to NYC, stay 8 days. NYC to Vegas for 4 days. Then Vegas to Dublin with NYC connection.
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He'll have a customs form where has to enter his expected address in the United States. Most likely the immigration officer will ask him where he is going or what his final destination is. He should have all boarding passes with him just in case.
From my experience I thought that the form asks much the same as the ESTA, i.e. what will your address be in the US, and it only gives one option. I've done a few trips before where we had 2 US destinations on the same trip, Vegas and Miami for example.
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Is this all one ticket? Dub to Vegas (one stop in NYC)? You will clear immigration once you land in NY I think. I would tell him before you land stateside.
Negative, you preclear in Ireland. You can't have half a flight precleared, and the other half not cleared.
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I'd say you'll have to tell him. He'll have to be present for checkin and there is bound to be mention of "The bags are checked through to Vegas....."

As mentioned already he'll be asked the address he's staying at by border officials at preclearance, possibly multiple times. Everybody must go through this whether individually or as one travelling party, so it'll be hard to keep is a secret really
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Dublin to NYC, stay 8 days. NYC to Vegas for 4 days. Then Vegas to Dublin with NYC connection.
If you are stopping in New York for 8 days there'll be no questions about the on travel to Vegas as the officials won't know about this!
I'd be thinking that you should be fine not telling him until he's in the airport on the way to Vegas!
Others may be able to clarify further though...
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If you are stopping in New York for 8 days there'll be no questions about the on travel to Vegas as the officials won't know about this!
Eh I'd not be so sure about that tbh, last time I flew through the US i was just transiting to Canada, got all sorts of questions as to where I was going, how long, when was I flying back etc.
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Eh I'd not be so sure about that tbh, last time I flew through the US i was just transiting to Canada, got all sorts of questions as to where I was going, how long, when was I flying back etc.
When you say transiting to Canada was it on the one ticket and bags checked through to final destination?
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When you say transiting to Canada was it on the one ticket and bags checked through to final destination?
Yes.
In OPs case they are going for 12 days so they may well be asked what they are doing after 8 days in NY
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Contact the US Embassy directly (in writing).

You are already getting a number of different answers, none of which are officially verifiable in advance of your party travelling.

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