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Locker10a · 29-08-2019 8:52am

adam88 wrote: »

Why are they so security conscious or am I asking a really stupid question

Well essentially they represent Israel....

Captain_Crash · 29-08-2019 8:53am

I have a good friend who used to work with EL AL security in Milan.... she said that they’d stand under the aircraft while on stand (armed) and then escort it out to the runway for takeoff. One thing Israelis take seriously and are really good at is security

Van.Bosch · 29-08-2019 12:02pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I have a good friend who used to work with EL AL security in Milan.... she said that they’d stand under the aircraft while on stand (armed) and then escort it out to the runway for takeoff. One thing Israelis take seriously and are really good at is security

The costs must be huge though?

LXFlyer · 29-08-2019 12:49pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

The costs must be huge though?

Defence is probably the highest area of expense for Israel, given the threats they face. The Israeli State would be paying for most of the security for the airline I’d imagine.

EchoIndia · 30-08-2019 12:21am

A previous Dublin visit:

duskyjoe · 30-08-2019 2:50pm

Total thread drift.

California Dreamer · 30-08-2019 5:19pm

Sorry Mods, doesn’t really belong here.

El Al and security at Frankfurt.

https://youtu.be/Ei7tnpOfoV8

Blut2 · 30-08-2019 7:32pm

Its a thread drift, but I think the El Al security stuff is fascinating - I've enjoyed all of those posts.

Its really interesting to hear about unusual aviation stuff like that, that differs from the norm.

Chris_5339762 · 30-08-2019 7:58pm

HTCOne wrote: »

Fear of attack from an RPG or someone trying to pepper the aircraft with gunfire, lob a grenade etc.

There was a close call with a couple of shoulder fired missiles somewhere in Africa after 9/11 IIRC, ever since their aircraft are fitted with flares and other anti missile tech.

Serious question: Would Irish airspace or Irish airports allows flights to land with active flares or chaff or things like that?

HTCOne · 31-08-2019 2:23am

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Serious question: Would Irish airspace or Irish airports allows flights to land with active flares or chaff or things like that?

Well they’ve been allowed land here in the past.

I believe there’s a grey area around refueling. I came across a thread on another aviation site years ago where pilots were giving out about having to refuel next to El Al while they were fueling because of the perceived increased risk associated with those countermeasures. I have not one iota of the technical makeup of those systems or what safeties are in place.

Civil Aviation and military aviation do not really cross over, ICAO/EASA/IAA have zero oversight of military aircraft, and El Al are the only civilian airline I know of with these systems (not including VIP/Head of State aircraft), so I have no idea what the regs are. ATC don’t have any role in refueling.

marno21 · 03-09-2019 2:24pm

Austin Airport looking to add Dublin

http://austin.culturemap.com/news/travel/08-19-19-hawaii-among-eight-nonstop-destinations-that-could-take-off-in-austin/

Potential EI 330 route? None of the US3 are based there so unlikely to be any of them. Currently has BA to LHR, LH to FRA and seasonal DY to LGW.

errlloyd · 03-09-2019 2:32pm

Big fan of Austin - Few huge companies like Dell and Indeed in Ireland are HQ'd there so there'd be some business demand for that sort route.

Does anyone know wdc with Ryanair fares not showing up on their website is? Want to fly into Bergamo in January. Ryanair fly twice a day, but at the moment the flights aren't showing on their website.

kevinandrew · 03-09-2019 4:46pm

British Airways launched Austin in 2014 thanks to the 787 making it viable, it started as a five weekly service and has since grown to a daily 747 in the summer so clearly a resounding success for the airline.

I think a four weekly A330 service from Aer Lingus could be viable at this stage. Not sure the A321XLR would have the range but even if it did, we'd be waiting until 2023 at the earliest for a launch.

trellheim · 03-09-2019 6:09pm

A321 XLR range 4700 nm

Dub-Austin distance 4022 nm

HTCOne · 03-09-2019 7:45pm

trellheim wrote: »

A321 XLR range 4700 nm

Dub-Austin distance 4022 nm

4700nm still air range. Jet Stream is often over 200 kts on the NAT in winter. I know we have folks flying NEOs on this forum so I'd be very interested to know realistically if the XLR could do DUB-AUS in summer, let alone winter

Also 4022nm is the great circle distance. The NAT tracks often add considerably to any route to best mitigate the headwinds Westbound and use the tailwinds eastbound. It'll be longer most days. And the 321s are slow, so they and the Max (when it returns) are often given lower less efficient levels to allow the faster heavies pass over them.

smurfjed · 03-09-2019 8:11pm

Does the 321XLR have crew rest facilities? If not the range will be limited by crew duty times.

Locker10a · 03-09-2019 8:29pm

smurfjed wrote: »

Does the 321XLR have crew rest facilities? If not the range will be limited by crew duty times.

Doubtful, unless they curtain off some of the business class seats

Jack1985 · 05-09-2019 9:18pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Doubtful, unless they curtain off some of the business class seats

No longer allowed, as per EASA rules if crew are to rest in Business Class the whole J cabin must be empty. EI therefore don't have the intention to use the XLR's for routes that require crew rest.

trellheim · 06-09-2019 10:15am

(I was about to post a counter-example to that curtained-off rows thing and then I realised that my American Airlines Dublin-Philadelphia was under FAA rules not EASA )

Kermit.de.frog · 12-09-2019 12:06am

https://www.ittn.ie/news/cathay-pacific-to-suspend-flights-from-dublin/

Cathay Pacific suspending flights?

JCX BXC · 12-09-2019 12:07am

Oh wow that's not good.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-09-2019 12:14am

That would leave us with no far east direct route (at least for the winter but I think we all know it's thin end of the wedge most probably)? Not good at all. It would mean the far east has effectively failed as a market from Dublin.

It will also discourage everyone else taking up the slack.

Niall Gibbons only last month

Gibbons said Tourism Ireland will continue to “promote the island of Ireland vigorously in China” by highlighting Cathay Pacific’s direct service from Dublin to Hong Kong.

ooops

Tenger · 12-09-2019 12:21am

Bugger. I was hoping to go before Xmas.

theguzman · 12-09-2019 1:58am

Numerous reasons this wouldn't work; The Chinese economy is on a severe downward spiral, (Trump's tariffs killing them) coupled with Ireland being incredibly bad value, hotels here are just a total ripoff, bad weather and expensive food and drink plus getting a tourist visa for this country is a bureaucratic nightmare even if you have plenty money, successful career etc.

Hong Kong is in a state of anarchy the last two months, the airport has closed on numerous occasions. Cathay Pacific are not really known about by the Irish expats in Australia and NZ who tend to prefer the ME3. These expats are declining in numbers as many return home, Qatar Airways have also lowered their prices quite a bit on Asian routes compared to say 2-3 years ago, the GCC Boycott of them has caused that airline to up its game.

I hope Cathay relaunch but Ireland - Asia may only be seasonal and marginal at best and I'm sure Cathay will find better ways to earn money from their A350's than Dublin.

Slashermcguirk · 12-09-2019 6:31am

Its only during winter that Cathay would be stopping. That route has performed very well. I know someone who regularly travels that route with work and said in for that and summer it was always full.

Lots of airlines cut routes in winter, also the troubles in Hong Kong are hardly going to be attracting many people. I think the hainan route to beijing is also expected to return next spring

See below update for august at dub airport, 6% growth which is excellent

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2019/09/11/dublin-airport-sets-new-august-record-with-3.4-million-passengers

Captain_Crash · 12-09-2019 7:05am

I wouldn't read too much into it right now, Cathay are cutting lots of routes over winter due to the impact the HK protests have had on their bottom line.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cathay-pacific-demand/cathay-pacific-to-cut-capacity-as-demand-for-hong-kong-travel-falls-idUSKCN1VW0ZB

The route has performed very well since launch and I would imagine once things have settled down it'll be back to year round. They are also cancelling JFK-YVR which has been running for donkeys years (Although this that's a permanent cancellation)

Slashermcguirk · 12-09-2019 7:14am

I would agree, over 80k on Cathay Dublin route alone over the past year shows there is strong demand. This is more a response to existing problems in Hong kong etc I would think. They are even cutting winter routes to the likes of Frankfurt. I can see the dublin route being back next year

Slashermcguirk · 12-09-2019 9:08am

Route to stop in November and will reopen as normal in March.

https://fora.ie/cathay-pacific-suspending-dublin-hong-kong-4805679-Sep2019/

IngazZagni · 12-09-2019 9:43am

Disappointing but hopefully it is indeed temporary and that a continuing crisis in Hong Kong doesnt leave it permanently suspended.

What are the odds that Dublin airport could see a decline in passenger numbers this winter vs last?

Slashermcguirk · 12-09-2019 9:55am

IngazZagni wrote: »

Disappointing but hopefully it is indeed temporary and that a continuing crisis in Hong Kong doesnt leave it permanently suspended.

What are the odds that Dublin airport could see a decline in passenger numbers this winter vs last?

I would say doubtful, dublin airport is up about +6% YTD, very impressive numbers. Even the flights they have lost recently will probably be compensated by growth on other routes. Even UK is still slightly up vs last year despite all that is going on.

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