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27-04-2018, 09:10   #1
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Genealogy DNA site used to catch murderer

It's great that he was caught and all that, but I wonder if there are any legal or ethical issues with this? Would this be the first known use of a website's DNA database for law enforcement purposes? Possible 'Big Brother' type future uses?
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It's not just a issue right now but will be a massive issue for your future generations who might not even submit dna.
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Any chance of a link to the story?
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Any chance of a link to the story?
It's in the post above, hyperlink under "this". Here it is again:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-...alogy-website/
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I'd like to know more about how they used it.

Did he have his own DNA in the database?
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27-04-2018, 09:30   #6
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I'd like to know more about how they used it.

Did he have his own DNA in the database?
I'd say they had his DNA from a crime scene (blood or bodily fluids) and either submitted it as 'him' (probably unlikely as they use cheek swabs), or else did the DNA analysis and then uploaded it, as 'him' again, to, say, MyHeritage as coming from another website. You know the way you can import your results from other DNA websites to MyHeritage. Then they must have matched on cousins or something and used that to narrow down suspects.
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Well that would have dodgy ethics: you have to have the person's permission to put their DNA into those databases.
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Delighted they caught him obviously. But i reckon websites that track ancestors this way may see business down. They are going to have to disclose surely how they done this. I'd say they got a subpoena or something judicial to get the companies to allow to run his dna against their database. I would be shocked if his dna was on it and it was probably a relative and they went from there.
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Be interesting how this plays out in court if it does go to trial. They more than likely have got the right man and i'm delighted. Closure for the family's and one of the most evil men alive brought to justice. But i'd say there will be questions on the legalities of they way they have done this. Could they use this method to catch more. Because i'm sure as **** they will try.
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Well that would have dodgy ethics: you have to have the person's permission to put their DNA into those databases.
Depends on the jurisdiction but things like the detection, investigation of crime and national security would often override usual rules.
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Delighted they caught him obviously. But i reckon websites that track ancestors this way may see business down. They are going to have to disclose surely how they done this. I'd say they got a subpoena or something judicial to get the companies to allow to run his dna against their database. I would be shocked if his dna was on it and it was probably a relative and they went from there.
I think thats right.They ran the DNA they had from the crime scene against the data base and so came up with a family that had links to the suspect. They then narrowed it down based on location, etc. He became their main suspecct and they got a sample of his DNA from a cigarette butt or such.
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Definitely going to be watching developments with interest.
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I'd like to know more about how they used it.

Did he have his own DNA in the database?
No, he didn't. But various of his relatives did, which meant that the police knew that the crime was committed by someone who was related to several identifiable people. Which of course is a pretty small pool of suspects.

Which means, yeah, there are some genuine issues here. Obviously I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for a serial rapist/killer who got caught because some of his relatives put their DNA into this database (for genealogical research purposes, presumably). But next time round it could be you, getting refused life insurance, or getting denied a job, because of inferences drawn from DNA contributed by family members to a database such as this.
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Article in the Irish Times now which confirms that law enforcement did obtain a DNA sample from old evidence and put it into a database. Ancestry and 23andMe have denied it was them but they use saliva samples anyway. FTDNA is a cheek swab.
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Gedmatch is the site the police used.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/26/1...-investigation
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