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12 years for ex-shinner

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  • #122
    [Deleted User]
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    **pretty low to exagerate my poor spelling in an effort to undermine my point though....#lowbrowtechniques

    Not just spelling, also syntax. And usually a cheap shot...except when the sentence was itself a cheap shot at the intelligence of others.


  • #123
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    ceegee wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-jonathan-dowdall-resigns-1937189-Feb2015/

    The kidnapping happened January 2015

    It seems you're right, the dates and the resignations are a bit confusing to look at. The man is clearly a deranged sadist and a nasty piece of work.


  • #124
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    end of the road wrote: »
    indeed. you are standing up and fighting to make the country better.
    sinn fein have nothing but the countries best interests at heart. always have always will.

    they can run a country. they will run this country north and south. they are trusted, will be trusted, can be trusted. it's only a matter of time. it's going to happen.
    They have not run a country.
    They are not trusted.
    It will not happen.


  • #125
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    end of the road wrote: »
    the actions of the ira have nothing to do with Sinn Fein .

    Can't help but notice you thanked the following post...

    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Once a thug always a thug.

    Which kind of contradicts this ;
    Persephone kindness wrote: »
    Fifteen of Sinn F?in's 35 MPs, TDs, MEPs, and Assembly members have a history of IRA involvement or have convictions.


  • #126
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,783 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Can't help but notice you thanked the following post...




    Which kind of contradicts this ;

    How does it contradict it? Are you saying 'dems all thugs?'

    Do you say that about all army's when ex members commit crimes or all political parties when ex members commit crimes?

    Are FG all 'thugs' because one member actually injures another by glassing?

    Or is the reasonable answer that some may be thugs or potential criminals?


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  • #127
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,764 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    FTA69 wrote: »
    It seems you're right, the dates and the resignations are a bit confusing to look at. The man is clearly a deranged sadist and a nasty piece of work.

    I think SF have deliberately tried to confuse and evade and spin the issue in fairness.

    He was a sitting SF Councillor when the waterboarding happened.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #128
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    How does it contradict it? Are you saying 'dems all thugs?'

    Do you say that about all army's when ex members commit crimes or all political parties when ex members commit crimes?

    Are FG all 'thugs' because one member actually injures another by glassing?

    Or is the reasonable answer that some may be thugs or potential criminals?

    15 out of 35 MP/TD etc is 43%, a bit more than some.


  • #129
    beertons
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,055 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    He's only an ex shinner 'coz he was caught.


  • #130
    Persephone kindness
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »

    He was a sitting SF Councillor when the waterboarding happened.
    This is what people need to take from it.


  • #131
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,783 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I think SF have deliberately tried to confuse and evade and spin the issue in fairness.

    He was a sitting SF Councillor when the waterboarding happened.
    jh79 wrote: »
    15 out of 35 MP/TD etc is 43%, a bit more than some.

    Conlan was a sitting FG councillor when he actually injured another by glassing and in the same constituency McElevaney was a recent FG councillor when caught taking bribes.

    What does that say about FG?

    Take your time, I could name more examples.


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  • #132
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Conlan was a sitting FG councillor when he actually injured another by glassing and in the same constituency McElevaney was a recent FG councillor when caught taking bribes.

    What does that say about FG?

    Take your time, I could name more examples.





  • #133
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Conlan was a sitting FG councillor when he actually injured another by glassing and in the same constituency McElevaney was a recent FG councillor when caught taking bribes.

    What does that say about FG?

    Take your time, I could name more examples.

    43% means it's a common theme and representative of the party.

    Sean Conlon and McE represents what % of FG?


  • #134
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,783 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    43% means it's a common theme and representative of the party.

    Sean Conlon and McE represents what % of FG?

    43% are engaged in criminal acts???? :D:D


  • #135
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    43% are engaged in criminal acts???? :D:D

    43% are convicted criminals.


  • #136
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    jh79 wrote: »
    15 out of 35 MP/TD etc is 43%, a bit more than some.

    There's a difference between being an ex-combatant in a political conflict that's been over for years and Jonathan Dowdall doing what he did. Trying to link the two is a tad disingenuous to be fair. Dowdall was never in the IRA or had anything to do with that conflict, he was just a maniac involved in a personal vendetta by the sounds of it.

    Dowdall was and is clearly a sadistic and dangerous individual. Personally I remember when I was in Sinn Féin's youth wing in the south of Ireland fifteen years ago, there was a party member who was caught looking up child pornography. As soon as it was discovered the cops were called and he was charged and that was the end of his involvement. None of us suspected or had a bloody clue about it, on the surface he appeared and acted a normal guy. (I suppose they all do really don't they?)

    The point being is that many people harbour disturbing secrets. I've no doubt there are some councillors and TDs and hurlers and TV stars or whoever who abuse their wives at home, or who have raped or sexually assaulted in the past or who have done other twisted sh*t and have gotten away with it unbeknownst to anyone else.

    Is Dowdall a scumbag? Undoubtedly. Did Sinn Fein have any inkling of this incident? Doubtful. (Cops the,selves only found out by accident). Is something like this indicative of the wider party and it's members? No.


  • #137
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,783 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    43% are convicted criminals.

    No they aren't.
    43% were engaged in a conflict and carried out acts that were deemed 'criminal' by two states. One of which has since been found to have committed worse acts of criminality while the other state stood idly by.

    Since signing an international agreement those former members of the IRA have not been found to have been involved in criminality.
    No higher a percentage than other parties anyhow.

    Conlan got a fine for actually injuring somebody with a broken glass btw, McElevaney is a free man. That is in just one constituency.


  • #138
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    FTA69 wrote: »
    There's a difference between being an ex-combatant in a political conflict that's been over for years and Jonathan Dowdall doing what he did. Trying to link the two is a tad disingenuous to be fair. Dowdall was never in the IRA or had anything to do with that conflict, he was just a maniac involved in a personal vendetta by the sounds of it.

    Dowdall was and is clearly a sadistic and dangerous individual. Personally I remember when I was in Sinn Féin's youth wing in the south of Ireland fifteen years ago, there was a party member who was caught looking up child pornography. As soon as it was discovered the cops were called and he was charged and that was the end of his involvement. None of us suspected or had a bloody clue about it, on the surface he appeared and acted a normal guy. (I suppose they all do really don't they?)

    The point being is that many people harbour disturbing secrets. I've no doubt there are some councillors and TDs and hurlers and TV stars or whoever who abuse their wives at home, or who have raped or sexually assaulted in the past or who have done other twisted sh*t and have gotten away with it unbeknownst to anyone else.

    Is Dowdall a scumbag? Undoubtedly. Did Sinn Fein have any inkling of this incident? Doubtful. (Cops the,selves only found out by accident). Is something like this indicative of the wider party and it's members? No.

    They found out because of his links to the Hutch drug gang, that was why his house was raided, what did SF know about that?


  • #139
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No they aren't.
    43% were engaged in a conflict and carried out acts that were deemed 'criminal' by two states. One of which has since been found to have committed worse acts of criminality while the other state stood idly by.

    Since signing an international agreement those former members of the IRA have not been found to have been involved in criminality.
    No higher a percentage than other parties anyhow.

    Conlan got a fine for actually injuring somebody with a broken glass btw, McElevaney is a free man. That is in just one constituency.

    Have they criminal records?


  • #140
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    One of which has since been found to have committed worse acts of criminality
    Says who?


  • #141
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,783 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    They found out because of his links to the Hutch drug gang, that was why his house was raided, what did SF know about that?

    You tell us?

    What did FG know about councillors across the country taking bribes? Surely somebody must have wondered how planning applications were suddenly getting through etc etc etc.

    We could go on all day like this.


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  • #142
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    People with mental health issues are treated worse in mental institutions than the IRA convicted prisoners wish to be treated. That is the truth.

    And the victims of the Troubles will often spent their lives in and out of hospital for physical and emotional issues. They lives are destroyed. And families lose loved ones for good.

    Whatever you think of how the Irish in NI are /were treated. There was another option. There are non affiliated parties the SDLP.

    And if you are going to swallow SF ..swallow their communist manifesto too. And don't forget Terrorists are not an army ..they don't screen ..they take ANYONE. And they fund through crime.

    And they want to be treated in prison better than the mentally ill....and people call the mentally crazy. NOPE

    We had to let them partake in politics ...for the peace process ....they were instrumental in ending violence because they were the ones shooting. And after the gained ground and came to the south ..and gained ground much like trump after economic disaster...

    And they are worse than trump.

    In fact Gerry Adams met Trump ..years ago.

    And yes ...the British at ONE point took a side in NI....but they are still a professional army bound by law...and they really did behave neutrally way before a peace was brokered.

    The victims of the troubles are forgotten....In fact the biggest Whining voice of the troubles ..has been the terrorists. And now they lecture us


  • #143
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    RANT OVER. :D


  • #144
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,783 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Persephone kindness wrote: »
    Says who?

    Me and also them. They apologised publicly for being involved in one notable one. Bloody Sunday. Nobody facing trial for that yet btw, but the usual suspects here are up in arms and are concentrating on one crime that has gone through the courts. Typical?...yep.


  • #145
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Me and also them. They apologised publicly for being involved in one notable one. Bloody Sunday. Nobody facing trial for that yet btw, but the usual suspects here are up in arms and are concentrating on one crime that has gone through the courts. Typical?...yep.
    Very different from SF. As a professional army is diff from SF also from here on in I intend to use IRA and SF interchangeably in life and online ...i would urge others to do the same until they clean house.


  • #146
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You tell us?

    What did FG know about councillors across the country taking bribes? Surely somebody must have wondered how planning applications were suddenly getting through etc etc etc.

    We could go on all day like this.

    I could go on all day about SF you'll hit a brick wall pretty soon.

    Raymond McCartney – A former hunger-striker, he was convicted of two murders in Derry in 1977. The first was of Catholic policeman Patrick McNulty. The second was of the manager of the local Du Pont factory, Jeffrey Agate, one of a series of IRA killings of businessmen who were accused of stabilising the Northern economy.

    Barry McElduff – A Queen's University graduate, he was given an 18-month suspended sentence in 1992 for helping in the false imprisonment of a Protestant whom the IRA suspected of being an informer. The victim was interrogated by three masked IRA men in Sinn Féin's Dungannon offices. The court heard that McElduff had saved the victim from execution.

    Aengus O Snodaigh – He has no IRA convictions. This week, he said he had "no idea" why his posters were present in a van occupied by convicted IRA men. His election agent and close political associate, Niall Binaid, was jailed just before Christmas for IRA membership.

    http://politico.ie/archive/who-sinn-f%C3%A9in-was-ira


  • #147
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    Francie Brady I don't know what right you think you have to place SF so height they are free to murder but it's scary. There are few people in life I would say I would still support even if they killed someone.


  • #148
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,783 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Persephone kindness wrote: »
    Very different from SF. As a professional army is diff from SF also from here on in I intend to use IRA and SF interchangeably in life and online ...i would urge others to do the same until they clean house.

    They(the BA) are different from the IRA (SF is not an army btw)

    The IRA no longer exist and the BA are still killing in pursuit of their aims around the world. Simple as that really.


  • #149
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    Why do you have a problem with the British Govt and the British Army?


  • #150
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    They made mistakes ...sure and I am not down with that at all. But the last few years I think they did an honorable job in NI.


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  • #151
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,783 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    I could go on all day about SF you'll hit a brick wall pretty soon.

    Raymond McCartney – A former hunger-striker, he was convicted of two murders in Derry in 1977. The first was of Catholic policeman Patrick McNulty. The second was of the manager of the local Du Pont factory, Jeffrey Agate, one of a series of IRA killings of businessmen who were accused of stabilising the Northern economy.

    Barry McElduff – A Queen's University graduate, he was given an 18-month suspended sentence in 1992 for helping in the false imprisonment of a Protestant whom the IRA suspected of being an informer. The victim was interrogated by three masked IRA men in Sinn Féin's Dungannon offices. The court heard that McElduff had saved the victim from execution.

    You found examples of SF members who were involved in a conflict that is now over. Well done you!
    Aengus O Snodaigh – He has no IRA convictions. This week, he said he had "no idea" why his posters were present in a van occupied by convicted IRA men. His election agent and close political associate, Niall Binaid, was jailed just before Christmas for IRA membership.

    http://politico.ie/archive/who-sinn-f%C3%A9in-was-ira

    What are you saying here? That he knew why they had posters?


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