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Are Tax bands fair?

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  • #92
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Another frightened specimen. Pathetic. They take your money and make lives very bad for many people in this country but according to you that is perfectly ok because you might be stabbed?

    No money, homeless, starving - most of their efforts would turn from drug dealing and criminality to simple survival overnight just to eat.

    That would put discipline in to their own lives quick fast.

    Lol. Firstly the vast majority of people on welfare are not criminals. That's utterly insane. In fact most of them are ex-workers. Secondly the successful drug dealers and criminal classes don't really need welfare payments, although they may take them. Some criminals are millionaires.

    All your fanaticism would harm is the the working and middle classes, who would be terrified of losing jobs and destitute without jobs. Like the 19th century. The criminal classes would thrive and multiply.


  • #93
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Nah will all the tax you save you can afford private healthcare private police it will all work out grand. Sure you will be able to afford a armoured car to defend from the hungry masses and home security to defend your property life and stuff. You know with all that tax you save.

    And a gated community. To keep the poor out.


  • #94
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    efb wrote: »
    Well those that wanted a flat tax rate said people that earned more were job creators, I didn't make that claim. I support a progressive tax system.

    Yes I was agreeing with you. The guy you quoted used "job creators" incorrectly.


  • #95
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Yes I was agreeing with you. The guy you quoted used "job creators" incorrectly.

    Cool :cool:


  • #96
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    efb wrote: »
    http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/reliefs/index.html

    Here is the page with the reliefs and exemptions on income tax in Ireland, like me to do a copy and paste???

    Very good. And which ones are you against?

    And please answer the question rather than deflecting.

    Name 5 you are against. Since you said there were lots this should be an easy task for you.

    (I've already said I work in tax so don't bother linking me to Revenue again - I could recite that entire site from memory)


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  • #97
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    efb wrote: »
    And a gated community. To keep the poor out.

    Community? You mean private island so he doesn't have to look at anyone who isn't him.


  • #98
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Very good. And which ones are you against?

    And please answer the question rather than deflecting.

    Name 5 you are against. Since you said there were lots this should be an easy task for you.

    (I've already said I work in tax so don't bother linking me to Revenue again - I could recite that entire site from memory)

    Where did I say I was against them?

    One which I was against- gone now was the house building grants that helped over inflate the housing market.


  • #99
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Does anyone really believe that a higher tax band would be a disincentive to people becoming rich?


  • #100
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Very good. And which ones are you against?

    And please answer the question rather than deflecting.

    Name 5 you are against. Since you said there were lots this should be an easy task for you.

    (I've already said I work in tax so don't bother linking me to Revenue again - I could recite that entire site from memory)

    I highly doubt that one, For a start it's Taxation And the Revenue does that Job. Then you have the Government that implement tax laws and alike. Which one do you work for ?


  • #101
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Does anyone really believe that a higher tax band would be a disincentive to people becoming rich?

    The biggest negative I would envisage would be the increase in tax evasion that was rampant in our country during times of high taxation


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  • #102
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I highly doubt that one, For a start it's Taxation And the Revenue does that Job. Then you have the Government that implement tax laws and alike. Which one do you work for ?

    He's very knowledgeable don't question him! And he won't answer things but expect answers from you!


  • #103
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    efb wrote: »
    Where did I say I was against them?

    One which I was against- gone now was the house building grants that helped over inflate the housing market.


    "Lots of tax breaks for various spurious reasons in this great little country of ours." implies to me that you are against a fair chunk of tax reliefs in Ireland.

    And the only one you can think of is one that doesn't exist anymore?

    Come on man...you can troll better than that surely.


  • #104
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    efb wrote: »
    The biggest negative I would envisage would be the increase in tax evasion that was rampant in our country during times of high taxation

    Aye a more effective thing to do would be in regards to taxing bonuses and alike. Those kind of top ups.


  • #105
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I highly doubt that one, For a start it's Taxation And the Revenue does that Job. Then you have the Government that implement tax laws and alike. Which one do you work for ?

    Tax is short hand for taxation so I don't know what you're trying to catch me with there.

    I don't work for either. I work in income tax in a financial services company. But enough about me, what do you do?


  • #106
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Tax is short hand for taxation so I don't know what you're trying to catch me with there.

    I don't work for either. I work in income tax in a financial services company. But enough about me, what do you do?

    Work in income tax? You mean payroll?

    Got all your Exams and qualifications and software knowledge go you!


  • #107
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    efb wrote: »
    He's very knowledgeable don't question him! And he won't answer things but expect answers from you!

    I don't recall you asking any questions for me to answer


  • #108
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I don't recall you asking any questions for me to answer

    You haven't contributed a point to this thread except ask questions of others.


  • #109
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Tax is short hand for taxation so I don't know what you're trying to catch me with there.

    I don't work for either. I work in income tax in a financial services company. But enough about me, what do you do?

    That would be the infrastructure that your company would use, The banks the world Economy The internet What the Information age runs on.


  • #110
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    What is your position on the taxation of incomes in Ireland as per the thread? Bubbaclaus?


  • #111
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Absolutely not. We still find ourselves living through the generations that were born in the 40's and 50's. They came into power recently and implemented a lovely sort of Social Democracy. Full of virtue, good intentions and an acceptance of a 51% gross income tax.

    People are living longer, children are living at home for longer, social structures are changing. The model we have at the moment cannot continue. I still believe allowing small business and innovation to be the cornerstone of any economy is the way we can continue to offer some sort of social democracy.

    I know it's considered an outrage to say, but I think this FG and Labour Government has been a really good one in the general scheme of things.


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  • #112
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    efb wrote: »
    Work in income tax? You mean payroll?

    Got all your Exams and qualifications and software knowledge go you!

    You think working in income tax means working in payroll?

    Jeez...im fighting a losing battle here.

    (PS...if it wasn't for our IT department I'd barely know how to turn on a computer...nevermind have a software qualification)


  • #113
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    efb wrote: »
    What is your position on the taxation of incomes in Ireland as per the thread? Bubbaclaus?

    Well if he means what I think he means, Giving advice to the well off to Avoid/minimise their tax exposure. Unless it's just pay roll. :pac:


  • #114
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Absolutely not. We still find ourselves living through the generations that were born in the 40's and 50's. They came into power recently and implemented a lovely sort of Social Democracy. Full of virtue, good intentions and an acceptance of a 51% gross income tax.

    People are living longer, children are living at home for longer, social structures are changing. The model we have at the moment cannot continue. I still believe allowing small business and innovation to be the cornerstone of any economy is the way we can continue to offer some sort of social democracy.

    I know it's considered an outrage to say, but I think this FG and Labour Government has been a really good one in the general scheme of things.

    With the exception of Irish Water which they royally fcuked up- I agree with the principle not with this the company was created- I think they did a good job


  • #115
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    efb wrote: »
    What is your position on the taxation of incomes in Ireland as per the thread? Bubbaclaus?

    You do realize you responded to me originally, with the post you responded to having the answer to the above question, yes?


  • #116
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You think working in income tax means working in payroll?

    Jeez...im fighting a losing battle here.

    (PS...if it wasn't for our IT department I'd barely know how to turn on a computer...nevermind have a software qualification)

    I'll note that wasn't a no, but rather deflection.


  • #117
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    That would be the infrastructure that your company would use, The banks the world Economy The internet What the Information age runs on.

    Youre a barrista?

    (I kid)


  • #118
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    You do realize you responded to me originally, with the post you responded to having the answer to the above question, yes?

    Quote it for me, I'm clearly not as clever as you and I didn't see it. Where it clearly outlined your position.


  • #119
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Dots1982 wrote: »
    When you think about is it fair that people who earn more income pay a greater rate of tax..like really..when you think about it..

    High earners are receiving a greater benefit from society than low earners, so it makes sense that they should also have a greater share of the burden when it comes to funding that society.


  • #120
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    efb wrote: »
    I'll note that wasn't a no, but rather deflection.

    If you require a definite answer then no, I do not work in payroll or have a software qualification.


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  • #121
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    efb wrote: »
    Quote it for me, I'm clearly not as clever as you and I didn't see it. Where it clearly outlined your position.

    There isn't a uniform tax policy in the developed world.


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