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  • 13-02-2020 9:22pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    The allies completely annihilated Dresden.
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    Carnage.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    Remarkable pictures

    Have recently been re watching The World at War. Hadnt seen it in many a year

    Highly recommend for anyone with an interest in history


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    I wasn’t even born then.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    1200 planes, 4 tonnes of bombs and resulted in over 20,000 deaths


  • Posts: 0 Jon Great Drill


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    1200 planes, 4 tonnes of bombs and resulted in over 20,000 deaths

    Worth looking at Operation Meetinghouse... over 90k civilians dead.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    The destruction wreaked upon Japan and Germany was almost total. Most of their main cities pretty much flattened - the images of Tokyo, Berlin and Dresden after carpet bombing are pretty much as shocking as those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that felt the full force of the newly invented atomic bomb.

    Almost complete destruction of most critical infrastructure in Germany and Japan too. But both countries rose quickly from the ashes of war to become post-war economic giants.

    Both countries paid a very heavy price for being the Axis in the Second World War.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,206 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    BOARDS BEGAN! oh, right


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    1200 planes, 4 tonnes of bombs EACH and resulted in over 20,000 deaths


    Sorry had to fix that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    A combination of high explosives, then fire bombs.
    The fire bombs created a firestorm, which caused hurricane winds inside the city. Afterwards, people were found literally melted into the tarmac roads as they tried to flee.

    The reason the Allies bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of Tokyo was that Tokyo was already destroyed by repeated bombing campaigns.

    The English talk about deaths during years of the Blitz, but Germans and Japanese were losing that amount weekly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    Sorry had to fix that.

    6.5 for a Lancaster.

    As mentioned before, Meetinghouse was the most crazy one. More people died in Tokyo over the two days than in either atomic bombings.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    .

    The English talk about deaths during years of the Blitz, but Germans and Japanese were losing that amount weekly.

    but they started it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    but they started it.

    The average Joe Soap killed in Dresden didn't start WW2 no more than the average person killed in Omagh started the Troubles.

    They still died though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,366 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The destruction wreaked upon Japan and Germany was almost total. Most of their main cities pretty much flattened - the images of Tokyo, Berlin and Dresden after carpet bombing are pretty much as shocking as those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that felt the full force of the newly invented atomic bomb.

    Almost complete destruction of most critical infrastructure in Germany and Japan too. But both countries rose quickly from the ashes of war to become post-war economic giants.

    Both countries paid a very heavy price for being the Axis in the Second World War.

    I mean Berlin was always going to be in ruins after the war ended seeing as how the British and Americans and Russian were advancing towards hell bent on ended the war.

    Hiroshima was utterly destroyed and some of the stories of the aftermath are horrific. Nagasaki from memory of reading about the attacks sat in a valley so while obviously destroyed it wasn't as widespread as Hiroshima looked like San Francisco after that earthquake in 1903 or 1906.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Hardcore History 42 and 59 are very good if you're looking for personal stories on carpet bombing and the atomic bombs.

    The accounts are chilling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭barney shamrock


    50 years ago today Black Sabbath released their debut album, thus giving birth to heavy metal.


  • Posts: 0 Jon Great Drill


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    but they started it.

    They made the "mistake" of going after the countries/territories the empires had designated "protected". It's worth considering that the British and other major nations engaged in their own territory grabbing within a hundred years of both world wars. And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict. The arrogance of the major powers was a large factor for both wars (European war, and the Pacific war) happening. The wars were inevitable but.. neither the US or Britain/France had clean hands in the whole thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Read an article of an account by a British POW today who was there at the time. He is still alive today. Was in the daily mail. Harrowing story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭ Jessa Green Roadway


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    The reason the Allies bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of Tokyo was that Tokyo was already destroyed by repeated bombing campaigns.

    On a point of order, the reason Nagasaki was bombed was because there was cloud cover over Kokura. The bomb also missed its intended (secondary) target in Nagasaki so the destruction wasn’t as much as planned.

    Hiroshima was spared from previous fire bombing campaigns because it earmarked as a target city for an atomic bomb. Tokyo could also have been spared had it been earmarked too.


  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

    Spectacular stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    War is all hell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,348 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

    Spectacular stuff.

    Idiotic comment.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,844 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

    Spectacular stuff.

    Just hundreds upon hundreds of women, children and old people that I guarantee had nothing to do with concentration camps. Just like large swathes of the German army didn't either.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,214 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

    Spectacular stuff.

    Weirdo


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

    Spectacular stuff.


    You seem charming


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭ Jessa Green Roadway


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

    Spectacular stuff.

    Shinner


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    What’s wrong with what he said? If they could do the same to ISIS these days would you be hand wringing as well?


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    They made the "mistake" of going after the countries/territories the empires had designated "protected". It's worth considering that the British and other major nations engaged in their own territory grabbing within a hundred years of both world wars. And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict. The arrogance of the major powers was a large factor for both wars (European war, and the Pacific war) happening. The wars were inevitable but.. neither the US or Britain/France had clean hands in the whole thing.

    Well aware of that, it was the war of all wars. It was the best war evenly matched forces fighting each other, it took sheer numbers and some denial of resources to win.

    This is AH tho so " they started it"


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    What’s wrong with what he said? If they could do the same to ISIS these days would you be hand wringing as well?

    ISIS =/= Ordinary muslim civilians


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    ISIS =/= Ordinary muslim civilians

    No but ISIS strongholds = ISIS all the same


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict.

    Refusing to sell oil to a country engaged in a war of aggression and acts of genocide against your friends has never been a valid casus belli.

    Japan at the time was an aggressive power run by a succession of unstable military governments. The only peace possible with it was through superior force, as the Soviets showed when Zhukov sent it packing at Khalkin Gol and as the US later learned when they had to defeat it in detail. Strategic bombing, conventional or nuclear, may not be nice but it was far nicer than an invasion of the Japanese home Islands would have been

    The same applies to Dresden. It was a necessary evil forced on the world by the genocidal aggression of Nazi Germany.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,348 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    What’s wrong with what he said? If they could do the same to ISIS these days would you be hand wringing as well?

    At that stage any man that could fight was on the front line, the city residents were mostly women, children, old people. If they bombed a town tomorrow full of women and children no matter who they were affiliated with I wouldn't be happy about it, Would you?


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