[Vetch]

Originally Posted by Deja Boo

Great eye Vetch! That makes better sense for sure!.......and it appears more as Petit sessions there, maybe?

I can see where you got 'fraud' - the way it's written it's the same 'shape' as 'grand'. I think it might be 'Petit Sessions Ho.' but it's very faint.

[Vetch]

Originally Posted by srmf5

Thank you! Would any of you happen to know what is meant by house projection and house return? Also the last description for entry 4. is a (?) office?

Is it not a bit strange that he would have spent £80 on buildings, etc. worth £14 or am misinterpreting that whole interest part?

It's 'distant office' in no. 4.

According to an online dictionary, the return of a building is:
a.
a part of a building that forms an angle with the façade
b.
any part of an architectural feature that forms an angle with the main part

You see it sometimes in descriptions of houses that are for sale. I had to look it up so hopefully someone else will be along to explain better!

It was the interest in a lease rather than the buildings themselves that £80 was paid for. I think you'd have to take the terms of the lease that was bought out into account. The lessee may have had a very long-running or perpetual lease.

[srmf5]

Originally Posted by Vetch

It's 'distant office' in no. 4.

According to an online dictionary, the return of a building is:
a.
a part of a building that forms an angle with the façade
b.
any part of an architectural feature that forms an angle with the main part

You see it sometimes in descriptions of houses that are for sale. I had to look it up so hopefully someone else will be along to explain better!

It was the interest in a lease rather than the buildings themselves that £80 was paid for. I think you'd have to take the terms of the lease that was bought out into account. The lessee may have had a very long-running or perpetual lease.

Thank you for that information. It's a wonder that he wouldn't have just built a house from scratch though if it was going to cost that amount to buy but maybe it was in a good location or people in the area weren't willing to sell any of their land for a house to be built on or he wanted a house quick without the hassle of waiting until it was built and furnished. You're probably right that whatever terms were on the lease likely played a part in the price though.

I'm just curious about this man William because my grandfather's cousin had it that an ancestor of the same surname born around 1830 was originally from that village and married into his wife's farm. William is the only man with that surname at the time of Griffith's. However, it was only a small farm that my ancestor married into so I doubt that there's a connection. Although, his son bought a hotel and a pub so maybe there was some link to that sort of occupation going back. It seemed a bit random that a small farmer suddenly bought a hotel and pub! William doesn't seem to have been living in that village long either if he only recently got a lease there which further makes a connection seem less likely.

[Vetch]

Originally Posted by srmf5

Thank you for that information. It's a wonder that he wouldn't have just built a house from scratch though if it was going to cost that amount to buy but maybe it was in a good location or people in the area weren't willing to sell any of their land for a house to be built on or he wanted a house quick without the hassle of waiting until it was built and furnished. You're probably right that whatever terms were on the lease likely played a part in the price though.

I'm just curious about this man William because my grandfather's cousin had it that an ancestor of the same surname born around 1830 was originally from that village and married into his wife's farm. William is the only man with that surname at the time of Griffith's. However, it was only a small farm that my ancestor married into so I doubt that there's a connection. Although, his son bought a hotel and a pub so maybe there was some link to that sort of occupation going back. It seemed a bit random that a small farmer suddenly bought a hotel and pub! William doesn't seem to have been living in that village long either if he only recently got a lease there which further makes a connection seem less likely.

He was buying a business which could generate income rather than just a house though. Documentation around the property, if it can be found, might provide further info about William Kelly.

[cocokabana]

hi, could someone kindly translate the latin Christian name here please:



thanks

[spurious]

I think it's a version of the Latin for Denis.

[cocokabana]

Originally Posted by spurious

I think it's a version of the Latin for Denis.

thanks, found a marriage and death record for Denis Power for the area.

[cocokabana]

Have another word I can't make out. Any takers?

[pinkypinky]

Can you please post the full page link - as is requested in the title of this thread - and repeatedly said by me within it?

[srmf5]

Originally Posted by Vetch

He was buying a business which could generate income rather than just a house though. Documentation around the property, if it can be found, might provide further info about William Kelly.

Thanks for the suggestion. I found the name of his wife. Back in 1835 and 1841, they had children born in Rathcroghan. She was from Bellanagare so they must have lived Rathcroghan for a while before moving to Bellanagare. I actually already had notes on this family but hadn't connected the two together as the same person since I hadn't tried to research them before. I only got the information about an origin in Bellanagare recently from a relative. They lived at the Clonalis Arms Hotel and William farmed extensively. The hotel that my ancestor bought was actually called the Sandford Arms Hotel but it already had that name when he bought it.

The only way that William could have been my ancestor's father is if by saying he was originally from Bellanagare just meant that he lived there before he married. I had thought that there could have been a connection to this family before based on a letter and other information and my dad and his aunt are DNA matches to a descendant of William's brother and another match who I think is descended from another brother. I have my doubts on a connection through that line though since there just hasn't been anything concrete yet.

Anyway back to the handwriting deciphering! Sometimes I just find it good to write out the information that I have just so that it's clear in my head.

[KildareFan]

Originally Posted by cocokabana

Have another word I can't make out. Any takers?

Looks like Horsepasture - if you give the link to the full page we'd know the county and make a more educated guess.

[pinkypinky]

First marriage on this page: what's the groom's mother's birth surname please?

Also, what's the note in the comment column?

ETA: just thought to look at Rootsireland to see what they have for it but will wait to see what others here think.

[Wyldwood]

Not sure what the name is, looks like Hinsly/Hurley but the note means the groom was a widower, I think

[Vetch]

Kinsley and sponsus viduus est.

[pinkypinky]

Oh! I agree on the name.
The Latin translation is very interesting, as these people are my own ancestors.
Thank you.