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  • #122
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    mariaalice wrote: »
    So what happens when Signal and Telegram go to sell or inevitable want to harvest your data in some way, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

    Morse code could be an option.


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  • #123
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    Korvanica wrote: »
    You clearly did not read any of them either before making your smug remark.

    https://signal.org/legal/#terms-of-service

    I don't use them so why would I read the T&C? :confused:

    Tell the truth, you only read them because I posted :-)


  • #124
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Whatsapp is a messaging tool
    Plenty of alternatives
    If Facebook did try to do that then everyone would leave. Simple.

    Facebook already does that.
    FB posts can be removed, users can be banned according to FB ethical standards. Such standards are not democratically voted and arguably go against freedom of speech


  • #125
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Telegram is a bit of a Frankenstein. Some kind of merge of Usenet, Twitter and WhatsApp. There are public "channels" on Telegram used for sharing all sorts of content - copyrighted material and illegal material. Imagine a WhatsApp group with 200,000 random people in it. Which pretty much guarantees that sooner or later it's going to be shut down or heavily regulated.

    The founders are Russian, though it's HQed in London. The founders are aligned in opposition to Putin, which is comforting, but also means that Russia is likely quite interested in acquiring or breaching the platform.

    Signal is far more of a pure messenger application, and built in a way that makes it completely secured. The lack of accountability to a corporate head also means that features won't be added or removed to please shareholders, and makes it much harder for governments to put pressure on it.

    Edward Snowden uses Signal and in his words, "I'm still alive", which should tell you everything you need to know about whether it's secure enough.


  • #126
    rossie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 11,341 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Twitter value on the stock market has dropped in the last few days, whatever trend they had in 2020 it has now been reversed.

    Nike dropped for few weeks after people burnt their products and went back up. Once this whole Trump stuff blows over share price will rise.
    Also, consider that Twitter is losing users and value while virtually competing with no one.
    Parler and Gab are being forcefully evicted from Apple/Amazon/Android platforms.
    Once they are back this may have an additional impact

    Parler and GAB were not serious competitors. Twitters competition is Facebook/Instagram and the like not a far right app.

    Parler and GAB won't be back either. They failed to follow the rules set down by Google, amazon etc and made those companies look bad in the process.


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  • #127
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Nike dropped for few weeks after people burnt their products and went back up. Once this whole Trump stuff blows over share price will rise.



    Parler and GAB were not serious competitors. Twitters competition is Facebook/Instagram and the like not a far right app.

    Parler and GAB won't be back either. They failed to follow the rules set down by Google, amazon etc and made those companies look bad in the process.

    GAB is still there, never went away


  • #128
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    seamus wrote: »
    Telegram is a bit of a Frankenstein. Some kind of merge of Usenet, Twitter and WhatsApp. There are public "channels" on Telegram used for sharing all sorts of content - copyrighted material and illegal material. Imagine a WhatsApp group with 200,000 random people in it. Which pretty much guarantees that sooner or later it's going to be shut down or heavily regulated.

    The founders are Russian, though it's HQed in London. The founders are aligned in opposition to Putin, which is comforting, but also means that Russia is likely quite interested in acquiring or breaching the platform.

    Signal is far more of a pure messenger application, and built in a way that makes it completely secured. The lack of accountability to a corporate head also means that features won't be added or removed to please shareholders, and makes it much harder for governments to put pressure on it.

    Edward Snowden uses Signal and in his words, "I'm still alive", which should tell you everything you need to know about whether it's secure enough.

    Russia blocked Telegram completely for a time. They've asked for and been refused the encryption keys.
    "What’s behind Russia’s decision to ditch its ban on Telegram? - Atlantic Council" https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/whats-behind-russias-decision-to-ditch-its-ban-on-telegram/


  • #129
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    rossie1977 wrote: »


    Parler and GAB were not serious competitors. Twitters competition is Facebook/Instagram and the like not a far right app.

    Parler and GAB won't be back either. They failed to follow the rules set down by Google, amazon etc and made those companies look bad in the process.

    Telegram and Signal were not serious competitors until last week. Things have been changing.

    GAB is back already, they only have server issues because Amazon is shutting down traffic on their clouds. Technical issues that can be addressed.

    Parler is set to come back too.

    Also who gives Google/Apple/Amazon the rights to decide the ethical rules to operate on a free market?


  • #130
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Facebook already does that.
    FB posts can be removed, users can be banned according to FB ethical standards. Such standards are not democratically voted and arguably go against freedom of speech

    You can say the same about boards.


  • #131
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    JMNolan wrote: »
    GAB is still there, never went away

    Correct.

    Apparently Amazon was creating trouble with slowing down traffic on their serves, anyway it's back up now


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  • #132
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    You can say the same about boards.

    Boards has plenty of competitors, FB doesn't
    if you are banned from FB it's not the same


  • #133
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    rossie1977 wrote: »


    Twitters competition is Facebook/Instagram and the like not a far right app.

    .

    Gab supports free speech. They only remove content when it violates the 1st amendment of the American constitution.
    I think you are confusing free speech for alt right


  • #134
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,516 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    WhatsApp users are abandoning the platform for Telegram and Signal after Mark Zuckerberg updated its privacy policies to allow WhatsApp to share its users’ data with Facebook.

    Telegram reported that 25 million people joined its service in just 72 hours, bringing its total active users to half a billion.
    Signal has also seen a huge boost in numbers.

    Are we seeing the beginning of something here?
    I have downloaded both Telegram and Signal as i also won't be accepting WhatsApp new terms and conditions.
    Maybe it's time to bring competitors into the arena

    Not surprising. Also seen scuttlebut that Parler is cooperating with the FBI.

    We appear to be in the middle of a pendulum swing from 9/11 to Patriot Act to Snowden Leaks to encrypted chats to a planned insurrection and now back to checks and balances on the right to privacy against national security interests.


  • #135
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Boards has plenty of competitors, FB doesn't
    if you are banned from FB it's not the same

    Keep changing those goal posts.


  • #136
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Overheal wrote: »
    Not surprising. Also seen scuttlebut that Parler is cooperating with the FBI.

    We appear to be in the middle of a pendulum swing from 9/11 to Patriot Act to Snowden Leaks to encrypted chats to a planned insurrection and now back to checks and balances on the right to privacy against national security interests.

    I agree and I hope we keep the ball rolling


  • #137
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Correct.

    Apparently Amazon was creating trouble with slowing down traffic on their serves, anyway it's back up now

    You also said the below
    "GAB is back already, they only have server issues because Amazon is shutting down traffic on their clouds"

    Gab isn't on Amazon servers...they host themselves.
    I know they were kicked off Google and Go daddy in the past.

    But hey a platform which happily provides a platform for neo Nazis and white supremacists isn't really for me.


  • #138
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    WhatsApp users are abandoning the platform for Telegram and Signal after Mark Zuckerberg updated its privacy policies to allow WhatsApp to share its users’ data with Facebook.

    Telegram reported that 25 million people joined its service in just 72 hours, bringing its total active users to half a billion.
    Signal has also seen a huge boost in numbers.

    Are we seeing the beginning of something here?
    I have downloaded both Telegram and Signal as i also won't be accepting WhatsApp new terms and conditions.
    Maybe it's time to bring competitors into the arena

    This is zones outside of EU.


  • #139
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    SchrodingersCat wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/whatsapp-fights-back-as-users-flee-to-signal-and-telegram-1.4457258



    "Signal was downloaded 8.8 million times worldwide in the week after the WhatsApp changes were first announced on January 4th, versus 246,000 times the week before, according to data from Sensor Tower.

    The app also got a boost when Elon Musk, the chief executive of Tesla, tweeted “Use Signal” on January 7th.

    By contrast, WhatsApp recorded 9.7 million downloads in the week after the announcement, compared with 11.3 million before, a 14 per cent decrease, Sensor Tower said."

    After musk tweeted that, the stock increased with another company of the same name lol

    https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1347622177437151233?s=19


  • #140
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    gmisk wrote: »

    But hey a platform which happily provides a platform for neo Nazis and white supremacists isn't really for me.

    I see you did your little google search
    Google doesn't like GAB, that's the type of info you'll find about GAB on google
    if you check the platform yourself you'll find all sort of opinions, much like here
    GAB is open to free speak, don't confuse free speech for alt right


  • #141
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,326 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Also who gives Google/Apple/Amazon the rights to decide the ethical rules to operate on a free market?

    The US constitution does.


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  • #142
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Keep changing those goal posts.

    That was always the goal post from the beginning.


  • #143
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    I see you did your little google search
    Google doesn't like GAB, that's the type of info you'll find about GAB on google
    if you check the platform yourself you'll find all sort of opinions, much like here
    GAB is open to free speak, don't confuse free speech for alt right
    Naw your grand, I have seen enough screenshots of messages, but you go enjoy it.

    Happily left out the rest of my message I see...so you admit your nonsense about Amazon was just that then?


  • #144
    OneEightSeven
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    The fella who sold bebo for something like 300 or 400 million dollars bought it back about 2 years later for 1 million purely for nostalgic reasons



    Edit: Was 5 years later and went from 850 million down to 1 million. He probably didn't get all the 850 million though! https://venturebeat.com/2013/07/01/bebo-bargain-after-selling-to-aol-for-850m-in-2008-founders-buy-it-back-for-1m/
    Then he sold it again for US$25 million to Amazon.


  • #145
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,356 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    stuff about skype and meet now is coming up on my phone we are all being harvested :P


  • #146
    Anniepowaa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭Anniepowaa


    always weary of what people are hiding when they spout nonsense like this , I don't give a ****e what google knows im looking at i've nothing to hide


  • #147
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,356 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Anniepowaa wrote: »
    always weary of what people are hiding when they spout nonsense like this , I don't give a ****e what google knows im looking at i've nothing to hide

    Why


  • #148
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,448 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Anniepowaa wrote: »
    always weary of what people are hiding when they spout nonsense like this , I don't give a ****e what google knows im looking at i've nothing to hide

    This is very true, all the talk of the Chinese spying on us is funny, if anyone wants to build an app that secretly knows I went a did the shopping in aldi last Tuesday then away with them.


  • #149
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Anniepowaa wrote: »
    always weary of what people are hiding when they spout nonsense like this , I don't give a ****e what google knows im looking at i've nothing to hide

    The thing is, personal data isn't sold by Facebook to discover secrets.

    Cambridge Analytica famously bought data from facebook to design customized feeds to influence people's political opinions.


  • #150
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    gmisk wrote: »
    Naw your grand, I have seen enough screenshots of messages, but you go enjoy it.

    Happily left out the rest of my message I see...so you admit your nonsense about Amazon was just that then?

    Screenshot of our conversations in here are shared outside all the time.
    Taking things about of their original context and edit specific bits is an easy trick


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  • #151
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    This is zones outside of EU.

    Europe too


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