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Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

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  • #1142
    famagusta
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭famagusta


    gazza1 wrote:
    A bit of movement in the Champion Bumper market tonight. Sir Gerhard blue across the board on oddschecker


    Rumours about Kilcruit, I wonder if thats why?!
    Re Champ, its hardly ideal prep for the gold cup, a two mile chase, firing him at fences, maybe they might consider the ryanair or even champion chase?! It'll surely be hard to settle him for the gold cup trip, come back next year with a better prep


  • #1143
    Plasandrunt
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Plasandrunt


    Champ got outpaced by Sceau Royal he isn't winning a Champion Chase lol

    Only got entries in the Gold Cup and Stayers anyway.


  • #1144
    famagusta
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭famagusta


    Plasandrunt wrote:
    Champ got outpaced by Sceau Royal he isn't winning a Champion Chase lol


    Ya fair enough, the champion chase was tongue in cheek but if he was mine I wouldn't mind the ryanair with the prep he has had, I wouldn't back him with counterfeit for the gold cup all the same


  • #1145
    Labaik
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    FatRat wrote: »
    Does Master TommyTucker go to the Ryanair?

    Even with what I saw yesterday, 33/1 NRNB is insane for what will be a renewal without any standouts. Min may not even show up

    I thought the jock was awful on his yesterday, done everything in his powers for it to not hit the front.


  • #1146
    Labaik
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    famagusta wrote: »
    Ya fair enough, the champion chase was tongue in cheek but if he was mine I wouldn't mind the ryanair with the prep he has had, I wouldn't back him with counterfeit for the gold cup all the same

    Needed every inch of 3 miles to win the RSA. Great prep run today will put him spot on for the festival.


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  • #1147
    Plasandrunt
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Plasandrunt


    famagusta wrote: »
    Ya fair enough, the champion chase was tongue in cheek but if he was mine I wouldn't mind the ryanair with the prep he has had, I wouldn't back him with counterfeit for the gold cup all the same

    Last years RSA shows he needs as far as possible. Over shorter the likes of Allaho beat him easily. Sure he got beat in the Ballymore by an average horse in City Island the further the better for Champ.

    I wouldn't be backing him but he's definitely a lively contender.


  • #1148
    famagusta
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭famagusta


    The Marsh is a bit of a puzzle regarding runners, its hard to know who'll turn up. Looking at betting..
    Energumene, arkle bound
    Monkfish, rsa
    Therewas a mention that shan blue was going to skip the festival, but haven't heard anything since
    Allart, dont know
    Chantry, maybe

    There's a betting without envoi market that could be good if you had a fair idea what was going to be second and third fav on the day..


  • #1149
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    famagusta wrote: »
    The Marsh is a bit of a puzzle regarding runners, its hard to know who'll turn up. Looking at betting..
    Energumene, arkle bound
    Monkfish, rsa
    Therewas a mention that shan blue was going to skip the festival, but haven't heard anything since
    Allart, dont know
    Chantry, maybe

    There's a betting without envoi market that could be good if you had a fair idea what was going to be second and third fav on the day..

    There's a suggestion the Irish will avoid EA but the Brits might try take him on.


  • #1150
    Plasandrunt
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Plasandrunt


    Shan Blue probably lacks the raw pace but he's honestly one of the best jumpers of a fence I've seen and he's only a novice. Would be fantastic around Cheltenham imo.


  • #1151
    akelly02
    Registered Users Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭akelly02


    Plasandrunt wrote: »
    Shan Blue probably lacks the raw pace but he's honestly one of the best jumpers of a fence I've seen and he's only a novice. Would be fantastic around Cheltenham imo.



    very very good horse. they could have bottomed him running at sandown though


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  • #1152
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Ronald Pump out of Stayers' Hurdle..

    https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Ronald-Pump-ruled-out-of-Stayers%27-Hurdle&prid=215895


  • #1153
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    One of Ireland's most genuine trainers :p might be entering one for Boodles' after Denis Hogan's Zanavi wins easy today at Fairyhouse.

    https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Cheltenham-now-a-possibility-for-surprise-winner-Zanavi&prid=215898&prt=L


  • #1154
    famagusta
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭famagusta


    Saint Roi confirmed by wpm will miss Cheltenham


  • #1155
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Will the Champion Hurdle have 8 runners?


  • #1156
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »
    Sir Gerhard in the Champion Bumper - 10/1

    Nice! Best priced 7/2 2nd fav atm..


  • #1157
    maximo31
    Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭maximo31


    Willie tour. :
    https://cheltenham.attheraces.com/stable-tours/willie-mullins


  • #1158
    Labaik
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    Slattsy wrote: »
    Will the Champion Hurdle have 8 runners?

    Have a sneaky feeling Concertista will run in it.


  • #1159
    Coneygree
    Registered Users Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Coneygree


    Labaik wrote: »
    Have a sneaky feeling Concertista will run in it.

    Nah


  • #1160
    Labaik
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    Just read the owners of Concertista will run James Du Berlais in the Champ Hurdle.


  • #1161
    rubia6633
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭rubia6633


    Labaik wrote: »
    Just read the owners of Concertista will run James Du Berlais in the Champ Hurdle.

    Hopefully a good one for the Munirs


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  • #1162
    Plasandrunt
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Plasandrunt


    Gordon Elliot has said Petit Mouchoir for the County Hurdle, he'll be top weight or there abouts but I think he's a really interesting runner. Always regret not backing Arctic Fire for this a few years ago at a huge price and PM has a similar profile. Can't see him priced up anywhere though


  • #1163
    Whiplash85
    Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    Plasandrunt wrote: »
    Gordon Elliot has said Petit Mouchoir for the County Hurdle, he'll be top weight or there abouts but I think he's a really interesting runner. Always regret not backing Arctic Fire for this a few years ago at a huge price and PM has a similar profile. Can't see him priced up anywhere though

    WH


  • #1164
    [Deleted User]
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    Honeysuckle wins CH, and @ 2/1-9/4 NRNB it's a no brainer for me :)


  • #1165
    gooseygander
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭gooseygander


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Honeysuckle wins CH, and @ 2/1-9/4 NRNB it's a no brainer for me :)

    Goshen looks back to very best like a machine based on last performance. Honeysuckle be warned


  • #1166
    [Deleted User]
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    gooseygander wrote: »
    Goshen looks back to very best like a machine based on last performance. Honeysuckle be warned

    Like many others, I'm banking on that being a oneoff :pac:


  • #1167
    Morgans
    Registered Users Posts: 4,342 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Like many others, I'm banking on that being a oneoff :pac:

    Eventhough he was doing the same thing last March. If it is heavy, he wins by a street. On good, its a toss up. Promises to be the race of the festival.


  • #1168
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,962 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Plasandrunt wrote: »
    Gordon Elliot has said Petit Mouchoir for the County Hurdle, he'll be top weight or there abouts but I think he's a really interesting runner. Always regret not backing Arctic Fire for this a few years ago at a huge price and PM has a similar profile. Can't see him priced up anywhere though

    https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/county-hurdle/winner

    365, SkyBet, PP, WH, Betfair & Unibet


  • #1169
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users Posts: 6,013 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Honeysuckle wins CH, and @ 2/1-9/4 NRNB it's a no brainer for me :)

    Prior to Goshen's win that price was tight enough. Since his win however she's out to near 3s on the exchange. You're safe enough waiting for the Tuesday morn and you'll likely get 11/4 or 3s.
    Morgans wrote: »
    Eventhough he was doing the same thing last March. If it is heavy, he wins by a street. On good, its a toss up. Promises to be the race of the festival.

    I was eagerly awaiting the time analysis of Goshen's race as those wide margin victories in heavy are so hard to quantify. Turns out its nothing out of the ordinary, a couple of seconds faster than the poor novice hurdle carrying the same weight. Hes fascinating alright but i'll stay away now unless he drifts a couple of points at least. I think the very late start to the festival this year reduces the chances of a bog also, as much as you can't predict a deluge of rain


  • #1170
    [Deleted User]
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    Morgans wrote: »
    Eventhough he was doing the same thing last March. If it is heavy, he wins by a street. On good, its a toss up. Promises to be the race of the festival.

    3rd week in March for the first time in about 10 years it's on this year.. Ground was usually around good to soft generally (in that mid March period) back then.. Can only hope that the ground hasn't too much juice in it, if the both of them go that route. But he surely was beyond impressive before hitting the deck in that race which was on soft-gd to soft ground. I'd trust Honeysuckle far more myself to run her race in this..


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  • #1171
    Morgans
    Registered Users Posts: 4,342 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    Prior to Goshen's win that price was tight enough. Since his win however she's out to near 3s on the exchange. You're safe enough waiting for the Tuesday morn and you'll likely get 11/4 or 3s.



    I was eagerly awaiting the time analysis of Goshen's race as those wide margin victories in heavy are so hard to quantify. Turns out its nothing out of the ordinary, a couple of seconds faster than the poor novice hurdle carrying the same weight. Hes fascinating alright but i'll stay away now unless he drifts a couple of points at least. I think the very late start to the festival this year reduces the chances of a bog also, as much as you can't predict a deluge of rain

    The time analysis is pointless. a) doesnt take into account any deterioration of the ground from the first race to Goshens and b) leads you to believe that Song For Someone wouldn't have won the novice race, when he would long long odds on to do should the horses ever meet.

    If you want to find a reason to knock a performance, you'll find it.


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