The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Black charlie wrote: »

I do not see any change in Dublin dominance. I would break Dublin into 2 for now and divide clubs fairly
I think this could suit everyone including the dubs as there would probably be an all dub final almost immediately.

That final would be a killer for interest in football.

Gachla wrote: »

It's not just the Dublin senior footballers though is it? If it was just them it could be explained away, it's women's football, men's hurling, club football and hurling, underage, basically, Dublin GAA has improved in all areas. This has happened at the same time that Dublin got a huge increase in funding. It can't be just a coincidence? I saw this table on another website, it's not very pretty but it shows the big improvements in Dublin

Of course it can be coincidence.
Or it can be down to Dublin gaa getting their act together.
Or it could be a bit of all three.

Black charlie wrote: »

Dublin footballl is very dominant due to money and population.
They are a complete professional setup
Because it is a complete professional set up underage success means very little
What matters is that young talent is identified and professionally managed into the senior set up.

There is no blaming Dublin football for what they have become - it is the natural progression of the game itself becoming more professional

I do not see any change in Dublin dominance. I would break Dublin into 2 for now and divide clubs fairly
I think this could suit everyone including the dubs as there would probably be an all dub final almost immediately.

And the Hurlers are a bunch of amateur yahoos?

It’s a shambles being honest, all credit to Dublin amazing team but at the rate they are going you could easily see ten in a row, effectively killing the game as a competition, it’s no longer exciting to watch the Dubs matches as the outcome is a foregone conclusion so neutrals just switch off, not sure of the solution to be honest.

Donnielighto wrote: »

The title of the table will do nothing for you if you are trying to convince fans that are against you.

Gachla wrote: »

It's not just the Dublin senior footballers though is it? If it was just them it could be explained away, it's women's football, men's hurling, club football and hurling, underage, basically, Dublin GAA has improved in all areas. This has happened at the same time that Dublin got a huge increase in funding. It can't be just a coincidence? I saw this table on another website, it's not very pretty but it shows the big improvements in Dublin GAA.

Plus why are the different columns in Mayo colours?

Also increase in funding does not equate to increase in success that is fallacy.

If that was the case China would dominate snooker - they do not (still have not won a world title despite the hype)
China would dominate soccer - they do not (What have they done in any World Cup?)
The Dublin hurlers were beaten by Laois this year!

Dublin's success is down to these things -

1) Shrewd management of finances (I would argue they are actually underfunded given the population size)

2) Implementation of a decent structure and plan

3) A core of fantastic players who happened to reach thier peak now - who were playing football underage long before any plan was conceived

4) Poor planning in other counties - Meath let thier youth structure whiter and die - no plan after Boylan for example

5) Other counties following fads that may not have suited thier team - defensive football etc - Kildare/Galway

6) Other counties showing lack of innovation

7) Fantastic Dublin management - it could easily fall apart if the wrong fella is in charge

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Play the all Ireland football Final somewhere other than in Dublin. Take the home advantage away. If the final was in Killarney I'd have it a 50/50.

Great idea. At the rate it's going I could see kerry or Cork demanding finals be played somewhere in Munster. The final would be reduced by 35k in attendance but if Dublin win it every year and get the lions share of funds I can see counties stop caring about the money.

jr86 wrote: »

Yeah i imagine a lot of the younger posters in their teens/early 20s would have little or no recollection as to the level Dublin hurlers were actually at about 12/15 years ago and beyond. And this would skew their perception as to the actual improvement they have made
Its easily the biggest improvement seen in county hurling in my lifetime anyway. Its like expecting Antrim or Carlow nowadays to start competing with top sides regularly and beating them from time to time competitively, and to win a Leinster title and make an All Ireland semi in the 2020s

I dont understand why if Offaly could join the top hurling teams in the 80s and 90s and fall away... Dublin cannot repeat the same feat in the 00s and 10s without eyebrows being raised.

Funding does not explain Offalys rise and fall. It is not necessarily needed to explain Dublins. Arguably given population size the outlier is not Dublins current level but their level in the 00s which was actually much poorer than that of the late 80s and early 90s.

Donnielighto wrote: »

Either way the title needlessly antagonises which is the point I was raising.

Agreed but the poster clearly said he took it from elsewhere. The data looks right, just based on senior football and hurling results and u-21.

Breaston Plants wrote: »

At the end of the day it's 15 v 15 on the pitch. It's up to others to catch up with them. Fair play to them, best team ever.

It's not though. Unless both teams decide not to use subs. In which case Dublin always have the superior impact in this regard.

ClanofLams wrote: »

It’s clearly transformative given the previous fifty years of results, two good years aside.
This has been by far and away the best decade for hurling in the last sixty years.
Coincidentally it’s also happening when their footballers are enjoying a period of dominance unparalleled in the history of Dublin football. Both of which are coincidentally happening after a dramatic increase in funding fifteen to twenty years ago.
You must be a big believer in coincidence.

I think Dublin GAA have got their act together and that comes through across the board to get Dublin playing to its potential.

I dont think funding is needed necessarily to explain it. There is no nationwide pattern in the funding table versus county results.

But even if it were true it would probably be a worthy goal of GAA funding to boost another competitive hurling county.

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think Dublin GAA have got their act together and that comes through across the board to get Dublin playing to its potential.

I dont think funding is needed necessarily to explain it. There is no nationwide pattern in the funding table versus county results.

But even if it were true it would probably be a worthy goal of GAA funding to boost another competitive hurling county.

Of course the funding table won’t match results directly.

But when you take the biggest population in the country, pump money creating a massive disparity to the extent that it receiving almost thirteen times the funding received to the next biggest population when it only has two and a half times the population and when that county is also taking in massive commercial income which it is rightly re-investing, the outcomes are almost inevitable.

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Fancy having another go at why Dublin aren't dominating Hurling so? Given they've all the same advantages as the footballers?

Dublin footballers went from provincial winners/contenders and occasionally AI contender to utter dominance.

Dublin hurlers went from non leinster contenders to leinster/league champs/contenders. Considering how you did vs KK, galway and Wexford this year I'd put you as all Ireland contenders.

Don't forget that in the 00's you'd struggle to beat the likes of meath. That's why you're not easily winning AI's. Because you came from nowhere. Don't worry though it's only a matter of time.