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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • #842
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    The GOP is an embarrassment at this stage.

    The sane part of America knows this.

    Never trust anyone who votes GOP from here on in folks.

    The ink is still wet on bidens unity speech......we should now discrimate based on political affiliation.


  • #843
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    joseywhales wrote: »
    The ink is still wet on bidens unity speech......we should now discrimate based on political affiliation.

    Ink is still wet and we have a Republican member of Congress introducing articles of Impeachment while the right wing media is proclaiming Biden's presidency a disaster already. Doesn't seem they're too interested in unity.


  • #844
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    joseywhales wrote: »
    The ink is still wet on bidens unity speech......we should now discrimate based on political affiliation.


    We can do what we like actually.

    Don't expect the left to forget.

    Those days are over.

    Absolutely the right are a danger to society.

    I will never ever believe or trust anything the right or their supporters. .... say ever.

    We are on guard.

    The whole switching the narrative of violence and who is responsible after what happened on the hill just goes to further show this.
    Doesn't seem they're too interested in unity.

    thank god


  • #845
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 12,783 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    We can do what we like actually.

    Don't expect the left to forget.

    Those days are over.

    Absolutely the right are a danger to society.

    I will never ever believe or trust anything the right or their supporters. .... say ever.

    We are on guard.

    The whole switching the narrative of violence and who is responsible after what happened on the hill just goes to further show this.



    thank god
    Lighten up and enjoy life for a while.

    If you obsess over your enemies too much it's giving them a free win.
    We can't destroy the right entirely, only the minority extremists.


  • #846
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    We can do what we like actually.

    Don't expect the left to forget.

    Those days are over.

    Absolutely the right are a danger to society.

    I will never ever believe or trust anything the right or their supporters. .... say ever.

    We are on guard.

    The whole switching the narrative of violence and who is responsible after what happened on the hill just goes to further show this.



    thank god

    This is like some bad Watchmen fan fiction.


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  • #847
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,125 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I think there's something wrong with this lady:

    .
    She's an absolute gimp.
    She also thinks that the parkland shootings was a false flag event

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-sandy-hook-b1791014.html

    But sure, that's the type of representative the GOP voters want to represent them


  • #848
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    I think McConnell and the GoP could come to regret their stalling policy. It means a massive amount of stuff is ready to go to the floor pretty much straight away now Dems have the Senate. And Trump's thing for Executive Orders means Biden is away in a hack in terms of tangible benefits he can claim from the start.

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1352577569330262017

    So the result is that a guy who could be accused of being boring and conservative by some quarters otherwise gets to come across as bold and dynamic just by fixing or allowing stuff the last admin broke or blocked deliberately.


  • #849
    partyguinness
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    It is noteworthy how little has been made of Biden's religion. He is only the second Catholic.


  • #850
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    partyguinness wrote: »
    It is noteworthy how little has been made of Biden's religion. He is only the second Catholic.

    People who hate him hate him for plenty of other things. For everyone else, he's not Trump.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • #851
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 12,783 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    partyguinness wrote: »
    It is noteworthy how little has been made of Biden's religion. He is only the second Catholic.
    Not noteworthy at all in my opinion. Religion has had a very diminished impact in Western policy for over 20 years. Even the Pope is relaxing his stance on gay relationships being sinful.


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  • #852
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users Posts: 7,535 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    partyguinness wrote: »
    It is noteworthy how little has been made of Biden's religion. He is only the second Catholic.
    Who cares


  • #853
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    One of the things that Trump did achieve was to demote religion from the position it had previously held. While he continued to court the religious, especially the evangelicals, it was clear to everyone that the religious were not that wedded to their ideals as they had previously claimed, and that their moral standards were are malleable as everyone else's in the pursuit of power.

    Thus religion has been shown, politically at least, to be no more than yet another lobby group


  • #854
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Who cares

    But that is exactly the point. Who cares?

    Even in relatively recent times, this would have been front and centre. The fact that literally, no one cares is telling in of itself.


  • #855
    partyguinness
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    flazio wrote: »
    Not noteworthy at all in my opinion. Religion has had a very diminished impact in Western policy for over 20 years. Even the Pope is relaxing his stance on gay relationships being sinful.


    Well, religion still does hold a large audience is parts of the US and in previous elections much was made about appealing to the Evangelists etc but I guess this time around the religion of the candidates really was not the biggest issue on the table. It would appear rather petty in the grand scheme of things.


  • #856
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 12,783 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    One of the things that Trump did achieve was to demote religion from the position it had previously held. While he continued to court the religious, especially the evangelicals, it was clear to everyone that the religious were not that wedded to their ideals as they had previously claimed, and that their moral standards were are malleable as everyone else's in the pursuit of power.

    Thus religion has been shown, politically at least, to be no more than yet another lobby group

    He did however ban travel from countries with the only distinction of being Muslim majority.


  • #857
    Invidious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Invidious


    partyguinness wrote: »
    It is noteworthy how little has been made of Biden's religion. He is only the second Catholic.

    It's been widely noted in the media that he's only the second Roman Catholic to serve as president ... other than that, what is there to be said about his religion?

    Back when JFK was elected, some worried that a Catholic president would take orders from the pope, and that the US would be surreptitiously ruled from Rome, thus undermining its autonomy and the separation of church and state. But that was more than 60 years ago, and things have changed a lot since. Religion is now viewed as a private matter and the power of high-ranking clerics to meddle in state affairs is a fraction of what it once was.


  • #858
    partyguinness
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    One of the things that Trump did achieve was to demote religion from the position it had previously held. While he continued to court the religious, especially the evangelicals, it was clear to everyone that the religious were not that wedded to their ideals as they had previously claimed, and that their moral standards were are malleable as everyone else's in the pursuit of power.

    Thus religion has been shown, politically at least, to be no more than yet another lobby group

    I am not sure how Trump demoted religion (perhaps in the fact he is not remotely religious himself). Remember he did stand in fromnt of the church holding a bible in that crude publicity stunt to court a particular audience.

    Are you inferring that it was a conscious policy on Trump's part? Was it more that religion was demoted regardless of Trump rather than because of him?


  • #859
    partyguinness
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Invidious wrote: »
    It's been widely noted in the media that he's only the second Roman Catholic to serve as president ... other than that, what is there to be said about his religion?

    Back when JFK was elected, some worried that a Catholic president would take orders from the pope, and that the US would be surreptitiously ruled from Rome, thus undermining its autonomy and the separation of church and state. But that was more than 60 years ago, and things have changed a lot since. Religion is now viewed as a private matter and the power of high-ranking clerics to meddle in state affairs is a fraction of what it once was.


    Of course it has been noted I have not suggested otherwise. But compared to previous elections religion was not on the radar at all.

    To say that religion is viewed as a private matter and not that relevant might be stretching it. All we need to do is examine the recent Supreme Court appointees and the abortion debate which is not going away anytime soon.


  • #860
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    But that is exactly the point. Who cares?

    Even in relatively recent times, this would have been front and centre. The fact that literally, no one cares is telling in of itself.

    Lefties don't mind so long as he doesn't batter anyone over the head with it, the right seem to want people to think he's some kind of utterly godless heathen (or "not a real Catholic")


  • #861
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,542 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    partyguinness wrote: »
    I am not sure how Trump demoted religion (perhaps in the fact he is not remotely religious himself). Remember he did stand in fromnt of the church holding a bible in that crude publicity stunt to court a particular audience.

    Are you inferring that it was a conscious policy on Trump's part? Was it more that religion was demoted regardless of Trump rather than because of him?


    I think the point was more that we can see from the fact that the religious right supported Trump, whose own religious beliefs and practices are...eh...inconsistent, to say the least, it indicates that their own religious or moral standards are fairly flexible after all.


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  • #862
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    partyguinness wrote: »
    I am not sure how Trump demoted religion (perhaps in the fact he is not remotely religious himself). Remember he did stand in fromnt of the church holding a bible in that crude publicity stunt to court a particular audience.

    Are you inferring that it was a conscious policy on Trump's part? Was it more that religion was demoted regardless of Trump rather than because of him?

    It wasn't ....

    Edit - Osarusan said it better that I could


  • #863
    Invidious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Invidious


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Of course it has been noted I have not sugested otherwise. But compared to previous elections religion was not on the radar at all.

    I don't recall religion playing much of a role in the Trump/Clinton election?

    Religion became an issue in 2008 only because of the Obamas' unfortunate choice to attend the church of the race-baiting Reverend Jeremiah Wright. They were forced to distance themselves from Wright and leave the church after the media began publishing excerpts from his sermons. Otherwise, it wasn't really an issue.


  • #864
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    We can do what we like actually.

    Don't expect the left to forget.

    Those days are over.

    Absolutely the right are a danger to society.

    I will never ever believe or trust anything the right or their supporters. .... say ever.

    We are on guard.

    The whole switching the narrative of violence and who is responsible after what happened on the hill just goes to further show this.



    thank god

    So if you discriminate based on political belief, how are you any better than the people you are complaining about?

    Surely taking every argument on its merit as usual will protect you from whatever it is that you are afraid of.


  • #865
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,865 ✭✭✭Christy42


    joseywhales wrote: »
    So if you discriminate based on political belief, how are you any better than the people you are complaining about?

    Surely taking every argument on its merit as usual will protect you from whatever it is that you are afraid of.

    The point is to be quicker to counter it to stop others being drawn into the crazy cults they keep spotting out.

    And can we stop the stupid request to be tolerant of intolerance? I try and be friendly to people I meet. If someone comes up and punches me whenever they get near me I will absolutely be on guard when they are around. This is not a contradiction of my belief that I should be friendly to people.


  • #866
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Invidious wrote: »
    I don't recall religion playing much of a role in the Trump/Clinton election?

    ? Trump's support among American Evangelicals was an enormous factor in his run, and it's a big part of the Qanon fanfiction about him.

    Obama was routinely innuendo'd as essentially a fake Christian or even a plain ol'Muslim.


  • #867
    partyguinness
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    osarusan wrote: »
    I think the point was more that we can see from the fact that the religious right supported Trump, whose own religious beliefs and practices are...eh...inconsistent, to say the least, indicates that their own religious or moral standards are fairly flexible after all.


    Right, so it wasn't an ideological cursade undertaken by Trump to actively sideline/demote religion. By suggesting that Trump demoted religion I thought you might be saying that Trump proactively demoted religion- that would involve Trump actually having a position to begin with which I could not see.

    Well, the religious right had already showed their 'flexibility' in 2016 in that sexual assault, porn stars etc sat comfortably with them.


  • #868
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,547 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Invidious wrote: »
    I don't recall religion playing much of a role in the Trump/Clinton election?

    Religion became an issue in 2008 only because of the Obamas' unfortunate choice to attend the church of the race-baiting Reverend Jeremiah Wright. They were forced to distance themselves from Wright and leave the church after the media began publishing excerpts from his sermons. Otherwise, it wasn't really an issue.

    Religion was an issue because the incumbent GWB said god told him to invade Iraq.


  • #869
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Invidious wrote: »
    I don't recall religion playing much of a role in the Trump/Clinton election?

    Religion became an issue in 2008 only because of the Obamas' unfortunate choice to attend the church of the race-baiting Reverend Jeremiah Wright. They were forced to distance themselves from Wright and leave the church after the media began publishing excerpts from his sermons. Otherwise, it wasn't really an issue.

    Yes and no.

    Try running for high office in the US as an atheist.

    They all HAVE to talk about "their faith" at some point in the process

    A significant swathe of Americans (GOP Voters and a healthy slice of Independent and Centrist Democrats) simply will not vote for someone that hasn't shown a conviction to God - However fabricated and false it may be (Trump) .


  • #870
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,865 ✭✭✭Christy42


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Right, so it wasn't an ideological cursade undertaken by Trump to actively sideline/demote religion. By suggesting that Trump demoted religion I thought you might be saying that Trump proactively demoted religion- that would involve Trump actually having a position to begin with which I could not see.

    Well, the religious right had already showed their 'flexibility' in 2016 in that sexual assault, porn stars etc sat comfortably with them.

    We already knew those beliefs are pretty flexible. Plenty of hyper religious anti abortion women get abortions themselves and maintain their stance that no one should be allowed abortions.

    It was highlighted again with Trump though.


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  • #871
    Invidious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Invidious


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Yes and no.

    Try running for high office in the US as an atheist.

    They all HAVE to talk about "their faith" at some point in the process

    A significant swathe of Americans (GOP Voters and a healthy slice of Independent and Centrist Democrats) simply will not vote for someone that hasn't shown a conviction to God - However fabricated and false it may be (Trump) .

    That's all correct.

    The poster to whom I responded remarked that religion didn't play a significant role in this election, compared to previous elections. I can't think of a recent US presidential election in which religion (besides verifying that the candidates held some nonspecific adherence to "family and faith") played a real role.


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