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  • #62
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Rologyro wrote: »
    His wife is pregnant with another child... what was he thinking.

    Ah come on, he didn't do it on purpose. He assessed the risks and made a decision. It's a tragedy.

    Shackleton had 3 kids when he was going on high risk expeditions where he essentially disappeared for up to 2 years. What was he thinking?


  • #63
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Gwynplaine wrote: »
    Why seriously risk your life to raise money for charity? He left behind a widow and small children in his quest to get to the top of a mountain. Why not go for a run or a cycle or something, and then go home safely?
    I never said anything about suicide. You're the one jumping to conclusions.

    I bet you're selfish enough to get into a car every single day without even thinking of your loved ones. How selfish can you be... :rolleyes:


  • #64
    Rologyro
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Rologyro


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Ah come on, he didn't do it on purpose. He assessed the risks and made a decision. It's a tragedy.

    Shackleton had 3 kids when he was going on high risk expeditions where he essentially disappeared for up to 2 years. What was he thinking?


    Yes, he did climb Everest on purpose.


  • #65
    Rologyro
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Rologyro


    Khloe Shrilling Crater wrote: »
    I bet you're selfish enough to get into a car every single day without even thinking of your loved ones. How selfish can you be... :rolleyes:


    Fatalities per BILLION passenger journeys

    Bus/Coach: 4.3
    Rail: 20
    Van: 20
    Car: 40
    Foot: 40
    Water: 90
    Air: 117
    Pedal cycle: 170
    Motorcycle: 1,640


    Everest.... 37million (based on 1 in 27 chance of dying)



    Source


  • #66
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Gwynplaine wrote: »
    Didn't this happen a few years ago too to some Irish man. Wife and small children at home. I know it's sad, but what a selfish thing to do.

    Wife was eight months pregnant. :(


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  • #67
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Rologyro wrote: »
    Fatalities per BILLION passenger journeys

    Bus/Coach: 4.3
    Rail: 20
    Van: 20
    Car: 40
    Foot: 40

    ....

    Source

    Walking looks like a bad idea


  • #68
    BurnUp78
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭BurnUp78


    beauf wrote: »
    Walking looks like a bad idea

    Bet China skews those stats a lot
    Source: r/watchpeopledie


  • #69
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Khloe Shrilling Crater wrote: »
    I bet you're selfish enough to get into a car every single day without even thinking of your loved ones. How selfish can you be... :rolleyes:

    What an idiotic analogy.


  • #70
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,088 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Ah come on, he didn't do it on purpose. He assessed the risks and made a decision. It's a tragedy.

    4 year daughter and heavily pregnant wife, yeah its a tragedy all right.

    And utterly selfish risk assessment.


  • #71
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    That was k2 not Everest. Much more dangerous mountain than Everest, less than 400 people have summited it and over 80 of them died on the way down.

    It was Everest, in 2011. The reason I remember it vividly is because he was the former boss of one of my friends.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-man-41-dies-on-everest-1.877066?mode=amp

    I know an Irishman died on K2 in 2008 but I don’t think he left children behind.


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  • #72
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,609 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    K2 is lethal, it takes some balls to go up there knowing that there is around a one in four chance you won't be coming back. Its also a far more technical climb than Everest with much more hazards.

    The Irish guy who died on it in 2008 and was Ger O'Donnell. Arguably he could have saved himself but he went back to rescue others from a different expedition to his own, iirc they were South Koreans who got tangled up in their own ropes and couldnt release themselves. 11 climbers died that day. The documentary The Summit is an excellent account of what happened.


  • #73
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sherpa is a very good documentary. These lads make multiple trips back and forth - leaving oxygen bottles along the route, going ahead to setup tents, carrying all the bags & ladders etc. At huge risks to themselves. All so lazy foreigners can boast that they 'climbed' Everest.

    Remember the episode of The Simpsons where they take the piss out that with Homer getting dragged up Mount Springfield? :D


  • #74
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Some people want a life less ordinary.
    There was a scuba diver killed last week off donegal n a paragliding fella in wicklow too.
    Do we ban them too.
    Northwest 200 road racing on this weekend up the north, everyone involved knows the risks n plough on.
    Should we ban everything with risk involved n just go play golf or bingo instead!
    Rip to the guy.


  • #75
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    enricoh wrote: »
    Some people want a life less ordinary.
    There was a scuba diver killed last week off donegal n a paragliding fella in wicklow too.
    Do we ban them too.
    Northwest 200 road racing on this weekend up the north, everyone involved knows the risks n plough on.
    Should we ban everything with risk involved n just go play golf or bingo instead!
    Rip to the guy.

    I guess I'd rather be around for my kids growing up and not leave my wife a widow than being killed trying to tick something off a bucket list but that's just me being a lazy, boring bastard. Life less ordinary me hole...


  • #76
    Rologyro
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Rologyro


    enricoh wrote: »
    Some people want a life less ordinary.
    There was a scuba diver killed last week off donegal n a paragliding fella in wicklow too.
    Do we ban them too.
    Northwest 200 road racing on this weekend up the north, everyone involved knows the risks n plough on.
    Should we ban everything with risk involved n just go play golf or bingo instead!
    Rip to the guy.


    Death. Death less ordinary.


  • #77
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    enricoh wrote: »
    Some people want a life less ordinary.
    There was a scuba diver killed last week off donegal n a paragliding fella in wicklow too.
    Do we ban them too.
    Northwest 200 road racing on this weekend up the north, everyone involved knows the risks n plough on.
    Should we ban everything with risk involved n just go play golf or bingo instead!
    Rip to the guy.

    I don't see anyone here suggesting bans.

    Just maybe lack of sympathy, which I completely understand.

    If people understand the risks and they're not hurting anyone else - let them at it.

    World is overpopulated anyway.


  • #78
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Do we know for sure he used the charity money to fund this trip or was it his own money?
    I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, but if he's using charity money to fund a trip and no charity gets the money, that's a different story.

    I'd love to climb Everest myself if I was free and single. No kids yet but if I had one and one on the way, I think they would always be a priority. He's left his kids without a dad and his wife to raise them alone and probably without a proper income. And he knew well the risks.

    Its hard to have sympathy for him I'm afraid. Climbing Everest is the equivalent of poking a hungry lion. Don't be surprised if you get a nasty surprise.


  • #79
    mitresize5
    Registered Users Posts: 996 ✭✭✭mitresize5


    who would have thought the were so many mountaineers resident on After Hours, cause it looks like everyone is an expert


  • #80
    2smiggy
    Registered Users Posts: 19,909 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    mitresize5 wrote: »
    who would have thought the were so many mountaineers resident on After Hours, cause it looks like everyone is an expert

    why do you have to be a mountaineer expert to comment ?


  • #81
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    2smiggy wrote: »
    why do you have to be a mountaineer expert to comment ?

    A man is missing and family and friends could conceivably be reading this, and you have a gang of guttersnipes taking a pop at his character.

    This thread sucks.


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  • #82
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Any type of mountaineering can be dangerous, there was even a man killed off Carauntoohill last week.


  • #83
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,088 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    enricoh wrote: »
    Some people want a life less ordinary.
    There was a scuba diver killed last week off donegal n a paragliding fella in wicklow too.
    Do we ban them too.
    Northwest 200 road racing on this weekend up the north, everyone involved knows the risks n plough on.
    Should we ban everything with risk involved n just go play golf or bingo instead!
    Rip to the guy.

    I do lots of climbing. Skydiving and racing as well, I like pushing myself at times. And I would love to give Everest a shot, I've genuinely been looking at it and weighing up if it is worth the financial cost to me. Is it worth 50/60k just to experience the challenge.

    But here's the thing, I don't have any kids. I'm not going to leave a little girl fatherless if anything goes wrong on one of my stupid ideas.

    Take the risks, get out and push yourself, everybody should do so at some point in their life.

    But if you are going to bring two young kids into the world then act like a ****ing father and be there for them until they are 18, don't run off to do something that is so inherently dangerous as climbing 8000ft+.

    Equating climbing Everest to Paragliding or scuba diving is just inane, I've done all those adventure sports in perfect safety and at next to no real risk. An 8000+ peak on the other hand is literally killing you when you're at the top, they don't have areas called death zones just for the hell of it.

    Climbing into an area called the death zone when you have a young kid at home is just staggering in how selfish it is, just don't have ****ing kids if that is what you want to do.


  • #84
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    mike_ie wrote: »
    It's not. It's a tough financial choice when you've put your entire savings towards getting to the top. Which is the main issue with commercial high-altitude mountaineering. It forces a situation where money trumps morals for certain people.

    In a documentary I watched about the deaths on K2 in 2008, the survivors interviewed didn’t seem to regard whether to try and rescue others as a financial quandary. Or if they did, they didn’t let that show. The decisions some made to keep going seemed to be more down to weighing up whether they had the energy to attempt a rescue and whether making the attempt would cost them their own lives. I think it’s unfair to assume that money is the primary concern when rescues are so risky.


  • #85
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    What's the protocol with Everest?

    Can anybody decide to climb it, regardless of their fitness and experience?

    Has it turned into a big money spinner for specialist tour companies?


  • #86
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,088 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    In a documentary I watched about the deaths on K2 in 2008, the survivors interviewed didn’t seem to regard whether to try and rescue others as a financial quandary. Or if they did, they didn’t let that show. The decisions some made to keep going seemed to be more down to weighing up whether they had the energy to attempt a rescue and whether making the attempt would cost them their own lives.

    I don't think he means deciding to rescue anybody, but the climbers just trying to summit.

    If you don't summit then you have failed and you would be thinking about coming back to try again, thats where the financial part comes in. Those expeditions are expensive, can you afford to spend another 40/50k to give it another shot? If you're not wealthy enough to easily afford it, then at a difficult time you might decide to tough it out and plough on despite it being the wrong decision.


  • #87
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I don't think he means deciding to rescue anybody, but the climbers just trying to summit.

    If you don't summit then you have failed and you would be thinking about coming back to try again, thats where the financial part comes in. Those expeditions are expensive, can you afford to spend another 40/50k to give it another shot? If you're not wealthy enough to easily afford it, then at a difficult time you might decide to tough it out and plough on despite it being the wrong decision.

    I could be misremembering because it’s a while since I’ve seen the documentary but I think some of those interviewed found people in difficulty when they were on the way up and realised that they couldn’t realistically help the person so kept going. This was K2 though, I don’t know if Everest is different in this regard.


  • #88
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I do feel sorry for the man dying (if he has died), and I really feel bad for his family but when you have a wife and family, it's past the time for sticking your neck on the line unnecessarily. You have to think of more people than yourself.

    People should be risk-averse when they have a wife and kids.


  • #89
    SeaFields
    Registered Users Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    What's the protocol with Everest?

    Can anybody decide to climb it, regardless of their fitness and experience?

    Just as an aside, the true story film The Climb on Netflix is about a French guy that climbed it with no climbing experience. It's enjoyable.


  • #90
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    What's the protocol with Everest?

    Can anybody decide to climb it, regardless of their fitness and experience?

    If they can afford to either climb independently, or climb through an organised group, then yes.


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  • #91
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    Do we know for sure he used the charity money to fund this trip or was it his own money?
    I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, but if he's using charity money to fund a trip and no charity gets the money, that's a different story.

    I'd love to climb Everest myself if I was free and single. No kids yet but if I had one and one on the way, I think they would always be a priority. He's left his kids without a dad and his wife to raise them alone and probably without a proper income. And he knew well the risks.

    Its hard to have sympathy for him I'm afraid. Climbing Everest is the equivalent of poking a hungry lion. Don't be surprised if you get a nasty surprise.

    The Twitter page for his expedition says they are “hoping to raise money towards expedition costs & to support our charity partner Barretstown”. I have no idea if donations are fully paying for the expedition costs though.


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